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submitted 7 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

In a YouTube video, a voice in English announces that China has researched and developed its own ultra-thin 1-nanometer chip – a staggering claim given that the chip isn’t expected in commercial devices for another decade.

"Recent news from China has sent ripples of excitement and astonishment across the globe," gushes the voice-over on the China Charged YouTube channel. "This revolutionary breakthrough is more than a technological marvel; it is a game-changer that will redefine the global tech landscape."

"Prepare to have your mind blown," says another video, this time on the channel Unbelievable Projects. "Welcome to today's video, in which we'll discover why America remains behind China in infrastructure development."

These voices and their “good news” about China are evidence that the Chinese Communist Party and its overseas proxies are using artificial intelligence to flood YouTube with propaganda videos, according to a new report that describes a "coordinated inauthentic influence campaign" on the platform.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 97 points 7 months ago

I'd be surprised if it's just China

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 26 points 7 months ago

At this point, I assume every major government has the capabilities and the intent to use AI for exactly this purpose.

Oppose at all fronts you can, this is not okay.

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[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 64 points 7 months ago

The specifics of this article aside, I am so not looking forward to the continued proliferation of AI based bullshit on the internet/public discourse/the media/etc. It’s gonna get so so much worse, we’re just scratching the surface right now. The validity of any photo or video will be destroyed and nothing will be trustworthy anymore. This is great news for fascists who thrive in a world where the truth is unknowable and meaningless.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 42 points 7 months ago

I'm shocked.

They've also infiltrated the administration of lemmy.ml and specifically c/worldnews.

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 35 points 7 months ago

Administration? Lemmy was built by a guy that denies tiananmen square massacre.

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[-] 13617@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Can someone please explain to me the drama of Lemmy.ml and why everyone seems to be leaving it?

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't know. I just saw a thread there yesterday about "young people are more favorable on China" and inevitably the discussion ended up being largely about the many Chinese atrocities, all of which the mods promptly removed, as well as leaving all the comments claiming that those were all CCP bots coming to...spread anti-Chinese propaganda?

I dunno, don't take my word for it, head over to worldnews@lemmy.ml and have a look for yourself through the barren comment sections.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago

Better yet, look at the modlog.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Lemmy.ml is run by ML. Marxist-LENINIST. They will not allow almost any critique of any government that falls under that umbrella ever. But will gladly hypocritically criticize any western power for the same thing.

If it was wrong for the US Britain and the west to do it. It's wrong for China, North Korea today or the Soviet Union in their time to have done it as well. Not a free pass for them to do it. When it comes to anything criticizing their political ideologies you may as well be on something like lemmy.conservative in many ways.

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

Culturally there is no real concept of plagiarism or cheating in China. Any shortcut is acceptable, because if you aren't using it someone else is.

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Everyone plagiarises until they become powerful enough to influence others to stop or face sanctions.

Fake it till you make it. Once you make it, call out others plagiarism.

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[-] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Next week: China develops world's first 0nm chip!

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 29 points 7 months ago

Do people really get their news and information from random YouTube channels?

YouTube is not a reliable source!

[-] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

My father in law watches this crap all the time. Also every war propaganda video.

.. if not that, Thai boxing or bear hunting. Ya never know what he'll be watching as long as it's one of those. Oh unless it's Friday night, then he's watching SmackDown.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

TBF, the FriendlyJordies are a reliable news source, but that's more of an exception to the rule.

[-] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

The problem isn't getting your new from YouTube. But rather random YouTube channels. It's like saying "Do people really get their news from random news sites"

[-] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah it seems a lot of people do. Especially if it's linked through social media, I would guess a non trivial amount of people won't fact check it or check the source.

[-] heyfrancis@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Yep i know a lot of people at least in my country. If not YT, then they get it from FB

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[-] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 27 points 7 months ago

“Oh bother! America steals all the hunny!”

[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

at this point I'm convinced China was just copying all of the "China gonna collapse in 3 days" videos

[-] speff@disc.0x-ia.moe 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sometimes I wonder if there are different "levels" of propaganda nation states put out. Like you have this obviously fake crap get a bunch of surface-knowlege people. Then you have more subtle things put out - like social media accounts pretending that something false is a ground truth. You'll then get people who can catch the fake videos and then believe the fake accounts no problem because it's obviously can't be propaganda - because you know what propaganda looks like. cough gell-mann amnesia cough

Or maybe nation states are really that incompetent and the only level of propaganda they can put out is like the article's videos. Honestly people give way too much credit to how much these folks know/plan out. There's no secret cabal playing 5d chess. They're normal people (ie. dumbfucks) pushing a message.

Who knows.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Propaganda is a quantity over quality game. You're not trying to convince the die-hard supporters of the other side, that's not realistic. You're trying to give informational cover to your own side.

It's like suppressive fire. Is the machine gunner specifically trying to kill the enemy? No, he's sending bullets whizzing overhead to change their behavior. Then his buddies can circle around their cover and very specifically aim at and kill them.

edit: You are right that it's no 5d chess though. It's more like the excuses you'd get out of a young kid. Just flak, intended to get in the way. Fired in quantity.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

There's also Russian style propaganda which isn't really about sending any specific message but more about sowing chaos. It's about blasting people with so much contradictory information that they become overwhelmed and exhausted and just give up trying to pay attention to anything. To say it a different way it's about lowering the signal to noise ratio to the point where most people lose the signal.

China tends to favor targeted disinformation, they tightly control what people hear and have specific messages they push. Russia just tries to scream incoherent gibberish where nobody can hold a conversation anymore.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 17 points 7 months ago

There’s also Russian style propaganda which isn’t really about sending any specific message but more about sowing chaos. It’s about blasting people with so much contradictory information that they become overwhelmed and exhausted and just give up trying to pay attention to anything.

"Flood the zone with shit"

— Steve Bannon

[-] speff@disc.0x-ia.moe 5 points 7 months ago

That makes sense, but the targets of my first paragraph wouldn't be the die-hards. It would be people who think they can identify fake news - but their hubris is what makes tricking them even easier. It would actually be much easier making fake accounts than making the fake YT videos.

If I was to use your analogy - it'd be like if the gunner's level of effort to land hits or to whiff were the same. [S]he'd obviously just hit them.

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I wonder if the AI has caught on to a lot of the abusable mechanics of YT like an upload schedule, opening livestreams or premieres in multiple windows, the upvote/downvote exploit, etc. There is a solid possibility that an AI has better strats than we do.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

An actual AI influencer who could control all that would be interesting. What kind of strategies it would make to get the most engagements

Very Hard to train since I assume you would need real human feedback for each run of course

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[-] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

The AI is just being used to create the content itself. The upload process is still just a script. The AI can only adjust parameters set by the person, and the person creating the setup likely isn't adding in any of the other factors

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago

Alarming as this may sound, they’re beating a dead horse. Most of the people who would believe this shit uncritically also think Fox “News” is the gospel truth. They’re already lost.

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[-] crsu@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Give them a break they don't have a 24 hour cable news channel for propaganda

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 12 points 7 months ago

Why is this a sign that they're using "Artificial Intelligence"? Sounds like they're just as likely using text-to-speech for planned propaganda. It's not like they don't have an ay of people to work on it.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because contemporary tts use ml, a form of ai.

tl;dr: AI is creating the voices, not the script.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

AI hate gets people emotional and leads to more clicks. Couple that with anything to do with China and you end up with a couple bucks of ad money.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This made me think of what you can do with AI to poke fun at china, and sadly it seems that microsoft is a bit hard on anti china prompts. But like, life finds a way.....

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 11 points 7 months ago

They do it here too. Anything positive coming out of china is full of this shit and bootlickers quick behind them.

[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Anything positive coming from anywhere is likely to be at least strongly exaggerated.

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[-] weeahnn@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

What's next? They landed on the dark side of the sun? North Korea already did that.

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

RFA is literally a propaganda source.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is very poor form, at least employ agents like the american 3 letters.

RFA is a private, nonprofit corporation, funded by the U.S. Congress through the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), an independent federal government agency that oversees all U.S. civilian international media. In addition to providing oversight, the USAGM works with RFA to ensure the professional independence and integrity of its journalism.

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