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[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 303 points 4 months ago

If the Democrats don’t win a landslide, this goes nowhere.

Vote!!!!

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 108 points 4 months ago

It’s not gonna happen, we need 2/3rds of states, but when republicans block it, it sends a clear message who the wannabe autocrats are.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 79 points 4 months ago

it sends a clear message

eye-roll Need to stop pretending that Republicans are just being cutesy and cryptic, and recognize that large parts of the country fully endorse a fascist federal government.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Let them vote against it. Let them vote against all the popular ideas and see where that gets them.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 105 points 4 months ago

See where it gets them? It gets them right where we are now, with them on the precipice of turning the country over into a russian style dictatorship with billionaire oligarchs and their bought politicians running little fiefdoms?

Have you not being paying attention to how fucking enthusiastic a not-insignificant chunk of the country is for fascism and enshrining their teams power as dominate and eternal?

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

tldr: Stop being blind in your tolerance. Start calling everything you see that is unjust and malicious out. Your freedom probably depends on it

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 months ago

You make a fair point. I do think there are signs the democrats and progressive are finally seeing that they need to play hardball. Amendments are a long play, and if the democrats have “candidate x thinks Clarence Thomas should be able to go on million dollar vacations in exchange for his vote on the Supreme Court” to smack every republican with for the next decade or so, it makes winning the necessary states a real possibility.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

The issue here isn't that the Democratic Party isn't playing hardball. The issue is that while the Dems are playing Baseball, the Republicans are playing Blernsball, and the blue continues to lose points and players due to following the old ruleset. The worst thing though is Team Blue has the better players. We have the home run strikers. We have down-the-line pitchers. Left, center, AND right field golden gloves. Our team are winners by any measure of the old system.

We're just playing a wholly different type of game now.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The point is to pull the cloak off and get bigger wins in the future to get the reforms through. There's enough people who still don't know what's really going on

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago
[-] CainTheLongshot@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

So the article admits that Democrats aren't just relying solely on rhetoric, they have 2 bills needing to be voted on. It even goes so far as to call out the actual problem within the Democrat party, Manchin and Sinema, for flip flopping about what they support and don't support: either HR1, the John Lewis voting rights act, and/or removing/adjusting the filibuster.

But it suggests that if Democrats just lean on them a little bit, they'll cave.

....

Right. Let's blanket blame the Democrats for being the reason nothing in the the house passes and is currently R220-D213, and nothing leaves the senate and is currently D49-R49, minus the 2 above.

We need to call out the actual reasons much more, and much louder.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly. The Democrats should have ended the filibuster when they could have.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

Most republicans I know believe that their party, like their country and their religion, needs to be followed blindly; if their party supports it, it's good, and if their party rejects it, it's bad. End of story. No more thought will, or should, be put into it.

The people who go on and on about how America is the best because "freedom" are now working out whatever mental gymnastics they need to perform to justify voting for the man who said if you vote for him you won't need to vote anymore. They already chose to support Trump and his party - nothing they say or do anymore will change that decision.

It seems like republican voters deeply believe that their way is the "right" way and they're willing to do anything to impose it on the nation in perpetuity.

I'm sure most aren't really comfortable with trump, but they're willing to overlook his rough edges if he can establish a republican government.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

It’s an Authoritarian Personality Disorder. You are correct, and I have not found an effective means of countering it, given the material conditions we find ourselves in.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you for doing what Wikipedia won't and rightfully calling it a mental disorder.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Let them vote against all the popular ideas and see where that gets them.

That only works if people are paying attention.

Increasingly, the general public are checking out of paying attention to the political circus.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago

They can kill it by doing nothing, or having it tied up in procedure. If the amendment has a time limit clause for ratification (the one's submitted over the last century have), then they can just sit on it. Otherwise, it might become like the 27th amendment, ratified over two centuries after congress signed off.

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

They have been doing this for decades... sure, there was a time people just didn't understand it. But they literally voted against cheaper insulin.

I am not saying these bills should not be presented even if the Republicans will kill them, but the expectation that Republicans voting against thing that benefit the working class would eventually make their base shrink is a complete fallacy at this point.

[-] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress

An amendment needs to be proposed by 2/3 of both houses of congress, or 2/3 of states can call a convention where any amendments can be proposed. Then an amendment needs to get 3/4 of states to ratify.

If I’m reading this right, that is.

So we need 2/3 of both houses of congress and 3/4 of state legislatures to agree. A large hurdle, but doable and necessary for our democracy. We’ve done it before, and now is a time in our history begging for amendments/reform.

[-] candybrie@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

You're optimistic about it being doable. Maybe if it was put to a vote in each of the states or maybe if it wasn't currently relevant to one party's head. But not put to a vote by the state legislatures. There only needs to be 13 state legislatures that say no to keep it from happening. The last time we passed an amendment was over 30 years ago and was just not allowing congress to give themselves a pay raise in the same term. Not a super contentious thing like presidential immunity when it the previous republican president is facing several criminal trials.

I didn’t say I was optimistic, just that we are at a time in our history begging for amendments and reform.

[-] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

It needs 2/3 of both houses to be proposed by Congress, but Congress has no power over ratification. The end of Article V is simply saying that Congress may propose one of the modes of ratification (by state legislatures or convention), not that Congress can unilaterally ratify an amendment.

[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

There are still other options if this goes nowhere. If they have the numbers, they can impeach the sitting justices and/or pack the court with more.

Also, it's possible that if the republicans see a string of back-to-back democrat presidents, maybe presidential immunity would be less popular. Especially after trump finally kicks the bucket.

Of course none of this matters if the dems don't win in November.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

As if the Republican party isn't already screaming that message loud and proud on the daily

[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

As if America ever learns anything from "clear messages' that are in fact painfully clear and obvious.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

In another thread someone suggested we resize the court first, as an incentive for Republican states to embrace regulation and pass the amendment. Still need the supermajority, but it’s a great carrot/stick approach to get the job done or at least leave us in a good spot for a while if they want to be stubborn.

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Agreed! Them voting Against this is a MUCH clearer Message then them Literally saying You Won't Need To Vote Ever Again Because The Fix Will Be In!

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Absolutely right but it does also make this a more concrete election issue. This sets up Harris clearly for reform and makes a strong argument against Trump's criminality and the corruption he spreads.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It won't happen even if the Dems do win in a landslide. There are always enough Manchins in the Senate to keep anything meaningful from actually getting passed.

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