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And it has all kinds of implications and context and shit.

How the fuck am I supposed to tell what's just people doing things at random and what's a part of all-singing-all-dancing-shit-show the neurotypicals call "social norms"? Down with NTs.

Honestly while it's really fucking annoying that refusal to participate could result in some silly neuronormo interpreting a completely innocuous action as an offense, and it can cut you off from social shit, I think it's basically the only way. The same button never does the same thing twice. Screeching rn.

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[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago

mfw I found out that "are you hungry" actually means "will you eat with me" and "what're you doing this weekend" means "would you like to make plans?" 🤦

these are things I learned in the last 12 months – I just turned 42

pretty much all the time, it feels like everyone got a memo that I missed

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

Once again this comes down to allistic people being afraid to be honest or vulnerable. If i ask you to go for dinner and you say no i have all the bad feelings of rejection and shame. If i say "are you hungry?" And you say not really i can still continue as if i wasn't rejected.

It used to be an innuendo to ask a person "would you like to see my etchings(drawings)?" I remember a teacher of mine finding old newspaper comics that reinforced this

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

I often ask my wife "are you hungry" and then we both have a discussion about both our hunger levels and actual willingness to eat, lmao

We really do need a Gayroller-2000 style emote for neurotypicals.

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

data-laughing your comment made me realize that's the exact conversation I have with my husband about food, too

NTs are the weirdos, we make perfect sense!

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

madeline-smug That's pretty cool actually, we arrived at the optimal solution individually. Convergent Neurodiverse Evolution!!

Ikr, imagine having to ask weirdo questions instead of just saying "Hey wanna get food with me?" or something? Common neurotypical L toriel-glare

[-] Gorb@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But this makes sense because i want to know other people's hunger levels to make a decision on what to do about it. The followup question is usually about what kind of food and when and coming to a consensus on what eataging will satisfy our differing hunger levels.

If I'm asking a rando colleague out to lunch my question literally just is. "Pub?" And i get a yay or nay

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Note that the_itsb says the quesrion is not literally about hunger levels, I agree tho.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

We certainly do :sicko-yes:

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 months ago

HOW MANY MORE COMRADES HERE ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BE MY PARENTS :kitty-cri-screm:

spoilerYou're cool, I love you for being cooler than my dad. It sucks my dad isn't as cool :sadness:

[-] magi@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

I'm also in my 40s, I'm old enough to be the void in your walls c: nayuta-peace

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

We are all secretly your dad posting on alts when you're not looking.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Przestań mi tak kurwa dokuczać. W realu pierdolisz o migrantach a tu jesteś koks??? Ty chuju i chamie pierdolony :kitty-cri-screm:

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

I found out that "are you hungry" actually means "will you eat with me"

Oh I just realized this one too, a few seconds ago. I wonder how many times I've said not really when I should have said yes??

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

Probably about as many times as I should have! 🤦😂

oh well

How many people were flirting with us or just trying to be friends with us, and we were totally oblivious??

[-] magi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

How many people were flirting with us or just trying to be friends with us, and we were totally oblivious??

I would imagine quite a bit, can be hard to tell with NT people, though I generally can pick up quite a bit though I have had quite a few people just randomly ask me out or what not in the past so they can misread me being interested in them makima-think

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

misread me being interested in them

oh yeah 🤦

took me way too long to figure out that people were reading my natural cheer and enthusiasm as romantic interest instead of just the general interest I intended

[-] magi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Yeah I get that a lot also funny because I'm ace and just my natural way of talking can be misread as flirtation or just because I'd listen to people talk about stuff lol people are weird

[-] kittin@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Girl invites me over to watch a movie. I watch the fucking movie and eat a bag of popcorn. Go home.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

God this one happened to me and I only realized the fumble I'd made like two years after the fact 'cause she was like. The homie, we'd often take our breaks and hit the smoke pit at the same time, one time when she'd gone back home for a holiday, she actually brought me back a jar of apple pie moonshine because I'd mentioned never knowing shiners who flavored their stuff-- I just thought she was one of the most considerate besties I'd ever had.

Never mind the fact that I know what tattoos she has and exactly where they are, I just thought she was the homie. Been kickin' myself ever since.

[-] Moonworm@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

People ask this because it's an invitation to eat with someone without the respondant having to admit that they are would like to be fed, which could be consisdered as implying that their host or whatever is being negligent to the needs of their guest. It is a little silly. But, and I am a ND person who has learned a lot of this by trial and error, there are deep instinctual behaviors that these rituals are about. I'm not here to say whether or not any of this is good or not, but especially the rules about hospitality strike me as things that got ingrained into culture in order to make common uncomfortable situations more reliable by the means of rituals that people follow or don't, indicating whether or not they're someone who is going to play their prescribed role - this is maybe why there are often many ritual refusals and acceptances. It's a way to play-act giving someone something that historically might have been precious and if they don't play along, you can weed out people who are likely to take advantage of you. It's imperfect of course and not considerant of neuroatypical people, but it just kind of had to work well enough to keep going.

It is definitely frustrating to not know ettiquette and I often feel like throwing all of it out in favor of a more direct system. Sometimes I do! But for the rest of the time, I find that ettiquette manuals are super helpful, especially when they explain the reasoning behind otherwise inscrutable rituals.

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

"what're you doing this weekend" means "would you like to make plans?" 🤦

Bad news: sometimes this is just small talk and the only way to tell the difference is tone of voice and context.

[-] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

I found out that "are you hungry" actually means "will you eat with me"

Or as they say in my neck of the woods: "didjyeet?"

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

I can get it down to djeat

[-] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Wow I'm allistic and I didn't even realize those two haha. I mean, if I ask "are you hungry" and the answer is no, I'll just be like "well do you wanna come with me to get food" if that's what I'm asking lol

[-] ComradeSpahija@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

"are you hungry" actually means "will you eat with me"

TIL

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