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Ukraine asks NATO for membership invite next week, letter shows
(www.reuters.com)
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yeah, that ain't gonna happen
The article says that membership would apply only after the war.
That rule is not an official rule and does not exist in NATO's treaty. It is a guideline set by the Obama administration to appease Putin.
NATO membership is exactly the thing Ukraine needs right now, after Russia proved that military aid to Ukraine did not prevent them from invading.
Why not?
Literally against their rules. Countries are not eligible if they are fighting an active war.
Theoretically, the idea would be that the joining of NATO would be part of ending the war. NATO could allow it if they wanted to.
and literally wouldn't happen either, seeing how every member has to approve, including turkey and hungary.
Special military operation, the aggressor denies it is a war or invasion, but I'm not sure how that affects NATO enrollment.
Rules cab be broken if it's for the better of everyone involved.
Russia doesn't count, Russia can go fuck itself
I assume this is "the Trump plan" so he'll say agree to it or he takes the US and goes home.
NATO would allow the US to go home; it's more than strong enough. Though the US power would certainly be missed, especially since it was partly their idea to have friends against common enemies and stay safe.
The rules exist for very good reasons and are the cornerstones of what ensures NATO is a peace-keeping.defenaive pact, not a biased empirical-style alliance. Also, keep in mind that all countries of NATO are free to involve themselves in the Ukrainian War, they just cannot do so under the NATO banner. And if their homelands are attacked in retaliation, NATO will be less oblige as they fundamentally are anti-aggressor.
If Trump left NATO, the US actions will be remembered and it's unlikely they'd get back in with the same powers.
Without the agreement of the US a lot of the weapon systems NATO members have cannot be used. That's the downside of using common components and platforms throughout the alliance.
That's literally the opposite purpose of having common munitions.
Yeah. We've learnt a lot from how countries have acted when we've tried giving weapons and munitions to Ukraine the last few years.
The Swedish Gripen airplanes are still not in Ukraine. It's not due to Sweden or Ukraine ...
The weapons "cant be used" in the diplomatic sense, it not like the bombs phone up the pentegon to ask permission to be used. If we're talking about the US ripping up all its commitments I think other countries might be less inclined to pay attention to those.
... which would cause Trump to cancel trade most certainly. I'm a citizen of a European Nato member and I don't believe we can take that risk.
Probably yes, but if its at the point of European NATO having to fight directly that's likely a second order consideration.
Did you read the article?
Accession to NATO usually requires border disputes to be resolved. Last I knew Canada, the US and Turkey were also standing in the way.
Hungary as well. Not to downplay US and Canada bullshit, but Hungary and Turkey, being quasi autocracies themselves, have really been fucking up attempts to make countries safer from Russian aggression.
I'd happily trade out Hungary and turkey for Ukraine, any day. Ukraine actually wants a better country for its citizens, those other two just want more power for their dictators
Agreed. But I don't want the people of Hungary to be left out in the cold to future Russian aggression. They know better than to fuck with Turkey. But without either sharing a border with Russia, war is unlikely.
I think the solution is to change the rules on voting. NATO (and the EU for that matter) has too many members to keep going on the universal acceptance thing. The governments of Hungary and Turkey are going fascist. More countries could in the future with the worldwide rise of fascism.
I'm so tired of reading about Turkey or Hungary holding up something good.
That rule is not an official rule and does not exist in NATO's treaty. It is a guideline set by the Obama administration to appease Putin.
Those countries need to realize that they need to let Ukraine into NATO if they want the war to end, and for Ukraine to not consider building nuclear weapons for their defense.
Wow shame on Canada!
From https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/10/31/canadian-foreign-minister-joly-says-canada-backs-ukraines-path-to-nato-membership/
Not sure why this guy said Canada is standing in the way of membership.