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Buy a gun and fight for your life or you’ll die in prison.
If it comes down to that, we've already lost.
Right now, I'd advise people to do as much outreach as possible to people you know. If you're on commercial social media, post a screenshot, put the link in a comment. Send a DM. Put up stickers.
Building the level of support that would be necessary to win a revolution likely makes nonviolent paths such as impeachment possible.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support. Not as a first choice.
That's one part of it, but also people should be defending themselves and their communities from ICE and one way to do that is guns. When an ICE agent is arresting your neighbor the correct option isn't to preach nonviolence, but to pull the damn trigger.
In practice, what I've seen people do is to use large crowds. I haven't yet seen any overt use of guns for that kind of defense.
This is great when it works and you have the numbers. But long term that is not a solution and not a solution all the time. A gun is a solution at all times. Get one before they don't let you.
If they are coming for you it's not a "misunderstanding". You wont be able to talk your way out of it by being nice and doing what they say. They are Nazis. They are taking you to a death camp.
They don't care if you're a citizen. They didn't care when it was a green card.
Stay in your home and defend it. Coordinate with your neighbors. Have one of them to call to bring additional resistance and pressure. But have a gun. Because when they break down your door. That's it.
Organizing with your community to protect each other is the best thing you can do. And part of that is making sure you are all prepared and armed.
Large crowds are awesome because if you kill one person in the crowd
The murderer is judged by a jury of his peers and sentenced then and there.
That's remarkably hard to do in any kind of reliable way. ICE snatches are fast, and the odds of being there with a gun and recognizing what's going on are low. The odds of shooting somebody by mistake are high.
To date things like handing out red cards has been far more effective
ICE agents exist outside of ongoing raids. They sleep in beds and shop in stores.
And as federal employees their names and home offices are available through a FOIA request. At least for the time being
Damn right. “Please don’t arrest me, I was born here” depose.
It's not about winning. It's about resisting. You don't only resist when you have good odds of winning. The people that fought the Warsaw ghetto uprising knew they would die. It is better to die taking down a few Nazis then to die on their terms.
TLDR: Get a gun. Fuck ICE. They're Nazis.
"Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Fuckin Americans LOL.
When the best places to spread the message of Resistance, like Reddit, have decided to actively comply and collude with the Nazis, we have to rely on other means to spread the message and give hope to those who think they are alone. Seeing stickers on poles and walls and bumpers as the go through their day, lets them know that there are others out there who are of the same mind.
Its not the only weapon, obviously, nobody expects the war to be won with stickers alone, but it's one piece of the puzzle that has a real effect. Propaganda is powerful, which is why the Reoublicans actively built the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which now fully controls the political messaging in America, as the Dems stood by, smugly scoffing, and totally neglecting their chance to answer it. Now they are 30 years behind in that game, and still haven't even started to conceptualize a strategy to confront it.
Reddit, like any and all media media, has been controlled by your regime since 2016 when it grew exponentially and became too important.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/
“We’ve tried nothing and…”
I’m not exactly the most active person. Not been to protests here in Canada but I do vote and all that. But ya know what I don’t do? I don’t actively discourage people from protecting themselves.
You have already lost. The question is whether or not you’re willing to fight back and win in round two.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Centrists like you got us here. Status quos. Call your rep. Go chant in a circle and pray for a better life.
See where that got us? Don’t like being shot at? Don’t be a cunt.
Realistically the lazy, stupid, and fascism supporters got us here.
So, humanity. Got it.
another move of the goal post
Let's be honest. If they come for you, you're going. Still, take someone with you on the way out.
Pretty much. If you’re gonna die either way, might as well make it an even trade.
Melt the ICE.
Oh for sure. I’m not Rambo. I’m just a biter.
It depends on how many neighbors turn out to help them.
I just don’t feel comfortable bringing a gun into my house. I don’t think I stand a chance against 10 automatic-wielding ICE agents.
When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting in death row
You can crush us, you can bruise us.
I will take my chance of stand off and quick death over being in prison in another state with no future.
You would be surprised how comically inept most LEOs are. They are regular people too. Take your chances.
that will just give them an excuse to murder you immediately, and then the right to murder anyone immediately.
although I'm not sure what else can be done, without saying anything illegal that might get me in an FBI watchlist and give me expedited tickets to a free vacation in el Salvador
I’m just incredulous that anyone here believes they have a chance against a militarized police and immigration force. Feels very much like when the right pretended they could defend themselves against the government “taking their guns.” 99% of civilians, gun owners or not, have no chance.
If you're talking about organized resistance, the police can be greatly outnumbered. Mostly unarmed people took over a precinct during BLM protests.
If talking about defending yourself in your home, I'd rather die quickly at home than at a prison that tortures people. Hell, I'd rather die than spend 20+ years in a regular US prison.
The goal is not to take out the entirety of ICE yourself. The goal is if they come for you to go down fighting and hope to take at least one. The only other option is to go peacefully and be shipped to an El Salvadorian gulag. Where you'll probably die anyway.
Better to die trying imo
What’s the alternative? At a certain point it’s fight back or lay down and die. These are literally Nazis. We’re in a bad situation
The point isn't to take out all of ICE. The point is that if they come for you, you are already dead. Your body just hasn't stopped moving yet. Cops have shit aiming skills. If you open your door with a Molotov Cocktail and a shotgun, you are taking the quick death, and giving the ones you don't kill and maim a real and present danger for every single time they follow illegal orders. If you just go peacefully, you're the only one that is gonna die, and you are going to die as a slave in an El Salvadorian prison.
You don’t. You’re supposed to kill as many as you can before they take you out. You’re dead either way.
Then you can learn to fly drones. You might stand a chance against a combat helicopter with a good drone. :) And if things don't hit the fan, you just have a nice and peaceful hobby. :)
What kind of cargo release do you recommend for water balloons?
What I'm about to describe is my drone's parachute release system. :)
To release something soft, you would typically have a concave surface or channel on the underside of the drone. Like a bowl upside down, or a pipe cut in half into U-shape and placed upside down. Obviously, for a water balloon - no sharp bits allowed. A parachute requires a wide strap to hold it, tensioned with rubber or made of rubber. Since a balloon is elastic, I think a balloon could do with an inelastic strap.
Anyway, the strap would end at some distance with a solid endpiece, the purpose of which is to distribute load. It might be triangular, circular, anything. The endpiece would end with a loop of string. The loop of string would go though a hole in a holding surface (don't pull knots through a hole, they can get stuck). On the other side of the holding surface, a pin bent of wire would lock the loop of string. Tension and a slight bend in the pin would ensure it won't come loose with vibration. Once a servo pulls the pin out of the loop, the weight of the object being released (or the elastic force of rubber) would pull the loop of string out through the surface. The strap would come loose and the object would drop out of its upside down bowl or channel, releasing the parachute (or balloon).
However, this is just one out of dozens of possibilities. It's relatively beginner-friendly however, hard to get wrong.
Don't have to get them all by yourself. If everyone they try to arrest gets just one of them they will run out of men a lot faster than they will arrest everyone they want to get rid of. There are way way way way more of us than there are of them if we would get off our asses and stand up for each other and ourselves.
Without a gun, you also don't stand a chance.
But what if it isn't a bunch of "legal" authorities? When this all kicks off, which is looking more and more likely, you wont have to worry as much about the authorities, who will already have their hands full, you have to worry about your local MAGA Morons, who will realize that their long-held fantasy of a a Liberal Purge is finally upon them.
All they have to do is look up the voting registrations on their county's website, and they can easily put together a hit list of Libz in their own neighborhood, and go house to house, doing their duty to their MAGA Nazi leaders, knowing they will be praised as patriots for their murder spree.
That's who you have to worry about. If you can plug one before he gets you, then you can take HIS guns and ammo, and start building your own arsenal.
Yeah that’s the thing: a gun is far more likely to be used on a family member or yourself than a legit intruder.