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Sure. Votes are public, but the attribution of votes are not public afaik, although not explicitly hidden. Do you have a link providing evidence that its the aforementioned user doing the down-voting?
They are. You can use Tesseract to see every single username that voted on a post/comment.
Ooh I'll have to test that. Thanks!
Do you have a link?
https://tesseract.dubvee.org/
Ahh this is great thank you.
I still don't see how to find out who is down voting what?
Also wow, look at this:
Some mod took action based on this and perma-banned them across the board! Based entirely on @jet@hackertalks.com, frankly, completely baseless speculation.
Whoever that mod is should be removed.
The username associated with every vote, up or down, is available through the ActivityPub API. If your instance doesn't show them (and I believe lemmy instances don't by default) some helpful soul has built a tool to view them. Sometimes it fails for reasons unknown, but it lets you see who's up or down voted a particular post or comment. I believe nom-lemmy interfaces like kbin also show you that information.
If you're interested in checking for vote manipulation, Lemvotes can now check a user's votes too
Wow, great tool!
Hi, I made this tool. What posts don't work? And I am aware the user option doesn't work, I'm working on fixing it.
Thanks for making it, it's a really handy tool for understanding who's responding to posts.
One post I can't get the votes for is: https://lemm.ee/post/24727759 I'm guessing that's because the community is on a different server, but I can't see an obvious way to get a link to the comment on it's home server when I'm browsing mine. It would be great if there's a way to resolve the correct server via the API, or at least report why it couldn't get the votes.
This post is older than my instance, that's why votes won't fetch
Aha! That makes sense. Thanks again for a handy tool.
You have to be a moderator and use "view votes" from the mod menu, and then they will show up at the bottom of the post.
Moderator or administrator?
Also, if its as simple as connecting to the fediverse to expose these data, it seems weird to keep it hidden.
Just a mod, afaik. I am not an admin of any instance, but I do mod a few comms. But your instance also has to federate that data and to do that has to be on whatever version that added it (I am not sure what version did this tho). If your instance runs some older version of Lenny, it has nothing to show.
I actually find it weird that it's not hidden from the public, since that's unusual. Obviously everything of this nature is tracked (it has to be to work) but it's usually something only an operator of the thing would have access to.
I'm not sure where I sit on it. On one hand, it's nice to be able to have proof of vote manipulation and not just have to take a mod/admin's word for it, but on the other it could easily lead to abuse/harassment.
Did you build the bot?
Are you sure you know what you are seeing? Because its pretty obvious that you dont.
The bot didn't take action until after this post was up. The bot also cites this thread as the justification for the action. Its obviously scripted to just do whatever a mod/ admin tells them to do.
Again. No credible evidence of vote manipulation has been presented.
Just one user from a single user instance providing their conjecture, and some mod acting on that conjecture.
Look, apparently the deletion of my comment didn't federate quick with enough. I saw your other comments and realized I have no interest in engaging with you, and the comment you just made is why.
So, pretend I'm saying whatever it takes to end the conversation here, because I tried to undo starting it.
Whatever dude. The hot took action based on this post, not on evidence of suspicious activity.
Here's a direct example. Just view your comment on something like an mbin instance (the upvotes are "favorites" and the downvotes are "reduces"). Most mbin instances no longer display downvote information.
https://fedia.io/m/support@lemmy.world/t/2154000/Vote-manipulation-by-a-single-lemmy-world-account/comment/10633015/favourites
nope, nothing public. But the LW admins can just do a query against the voting table for this user and verify it easily - hence this post asking them to do so.
Ok so to be clear then, this is just you making up an accusation.
You don't have any evidence?
This is me asking the LW admins to confirm my findings and follow their TOS.
I see the votes on my side, I know its true.
So a quick sentiment analysis with two hypotheses:
'The author of this text {} .'
h0: 'engaging in respectful, normal internet banter' h1: 'is trolling or otherwise being rude.'
Looks pretty respectful.
and their usage patterns:
Looks like someone you might have just decided to have a problem with.z
Edit: So you've edited your post and claim to see the evidence on your side, but still, have not provided anything. Claiming someone is a bot and engaging in vote manipulation is a big claim and requires big evidence. I don't currently believe you since you haven't provided any.
These graphs are interesting, what do you use to generate them?
it's part of some tooling I've built up over the years to do basic user analysis.
If you ask around I've shared it with many of the regulars. Since Lemmy doesn't have a proper API, this simply uses a headless browser.
I'm not trying to prove anything to you, you're not a lemmy world administrator
This entire post is to ask the Lemmy world administrators to intervene.
you are making an accusation that has already had real consequences and show no evidence to suggest that it's true.
I thought it wasn't a secret that votes were somewhat public. If they aren't, ok, but that's news to me.