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[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation or are these just examples of Disney sharing or bringing cultures to the mainstream?

I mean, the post is just a joke, but is the underlying theme at least something people really care about? More than they care about the representation these movies have given to these cultures?

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation

100%. As the first example I can think of out of pocket (and there are many more if you take a cursory look at any of their movies), they tried to file a trademark to claim "Dia de los Muertos,” or “Day of the Dead”. The backlash was pretty fucking insane.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That one is shitty, but mind giving more example? As a non-white and non-westerner i'm very confused about all these "cultural appropriation".

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Some westerners believe that culture should not be shared and everyone should keep to their own culture or else risk appropriating that culture, which is seen as a type of colonialism. I disagree with this notion but I’m in the minority on this.

I’m Jewish and it would be sick if more people ate matzah ball soup. This however would be seen as cultural appropriation though.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hm, it think it's seen more as taking something from a marginalised culture and making it a fad - like wearing dreads as a caucasian - and therefore removing this specific aspect from its cultural context.

Now I also don't quite agree with this interpretation and I, too, prefer the more positive connotation of taking part in it and sharing cultural phenomena. If someone borrows from my culture I generally like it, as long as it is done respectfully and in good faith, but I am not part of a marginalised group.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly the people who confuse honest cultural imitation or fusion with appropriation aren’t thinking critically about what harm is being done.

American exceptionalism produces a lot of these false positive responses, which is super annoying because it’s a real problem with economic consequences.

E.g. dreads is an ancient hairstyle for different ethnicities, cf. any sadhu, and no one is getting rich off of it.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Depending on who you ask, Jews could potentially be considered a marginalized group. I don’t speak for all Jews at all but I’ve never been offended or felt that my culture was being stolen by someone using Yiddish slang or eating kugel or matzah or challah or any other Jewish food. Hell, if someone walked in and was all “sup bitches, it’s Tu BiShvat, yesher koach yall” id be in stitches and happy that someone paid attention and remembered.

But again, I’m vastly in the minority on this.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that’s inaccurate, sorry.

It’s actually a pretty nuanced topic, that has been attacked and thus muddled intentionally, but the simplified version is similar to fraud.

Basically, if it’s not your culture, but you act like it is and get paid (or equivalent) for representing it in some way, then it is appropriation. Whether that matters or not depends on power relations, so people at the wrong end of the genocide stick, for instance the Cree, don’t want people to make and sell something like headdresses that are supposed to be reserved for very specific purposes. It’s a ripoff and wrong on multiple levels.

Think ‘stolen valour’ responses for people wearing military medals without the right, but add on lost income and a history of shit and abuse as salt in the wound.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I thought it was claiming a cultural thing as your own, disregarding the origins. Your definition seems to be more racist driven fear of intermingling, to separate cultures.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My definition is how I’ve seen it used in practice. I brought in bagels from the Jewish bakery near me once in university and no one touched them because it was “Jew Food” and they didn’t want to “appropriate” lmao. More bagels for me, but damn.

Imagine missing out on a potential positive experience because of social fear of being labeled some form of racist. People are more scared of being called racist than actually functionally being one.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I would see that as just straight up racism. Being fearful of trying something new or exotic because of a backlash of your ingroup is terrible and very clique like, conservative republican like. Sorry that you had to experience that. I personally enjoy experiencing other cultural things, especially foods, and would not miss an opportunity to try new things.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ya it was a surprise to me because where I used to live, bagels are just another type of bun or something. I didn’t realize they were that widely associated with being Jewish. This group that I graduated with were very concerned about appearing “cringe” so maybe perhaps it has to do with that.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

…Bagels are considered “ethnic” now? My heart hurts.

Also with someone bringing in something from their own culture to share; partaking in that offering isn’t (shouldn’t be?) racist. It’s polite and a form of bonding with fellow humans.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I guess with this group I graduated with it is. I have a 5 year age difference from this group so I’m wondering if I’m simply out of touch.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But then how would the OOP's example count when pixar didn't claim culture?

I asked this question because i'm super confused after watching the beginning of this video, which sort of match what OP said.

I also heard some people define it as purposefully misrepresentation of a culture or ethic, which tbh is bad(like how hollywood movies often portray some country) but it doesn't seems to be what most "cultural appropriation" are about

There's also another famous example from 2018, which an american chinese accusing a white highschool student for wearing qi pao as a prom dress, which funny enough, got the approval of asian chinese after the fiasco make its round. In my country we wear each other ethnic's cloth often, no one have any issue with it, it's confusing why it's such a sensitive issue.

There's of course very bad actor out there but a lot of times it's a head scratcher for me.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

I agree with that video. And it also mentions pizza and that cultural appropriation. It's associated with bastardizing the thing they take, like misinterpreting a cultural thing in movies. American versions of things are acceptable but not authentic originals in many households is an example of cultural appropriation to me. Not accepting a cultural thing at all, even modified, is just straight up racist fear. I think everyone discussing this is probably on the same page, but saying it differently?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would be like if someone stole our Torah from us word for word, wait a second the Christians did that.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We’re not allowed to complain tho…

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course because when they steal our holy books and make fun of us (seriously I cannot stand the stereotype that we're all chassidish) its all ok. Imo im completely fine with people spreading Jewish culture as long as they dont claim ownership.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lol slightly related but I’m brought back to that time in English class where we had to ask people around us their ethnic background and I mentioned I was Jewish, the guy got into a heated argument with me about how I can’t technically be Canadian because I’m Jewish. Genuinely bewildered hehe.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If he finds out about the terms Ashkenazi and Sefardi hes gonna loose his mind

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think we could have gone to those types of nuances. It would create a quantum singularity.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

OP would be complaining that they didn't show enough diversity if they didn't have these movies. Can't win with some people.

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Cultural appropriation is a term made up by people who just want to be mad about something.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Pocahontas and Mulan come to mind immediately as movies that pissed a lot of people off. Pocahontas especially since they whitewashed an already whitewashed story.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yea, but I dont think that that was for cultural appropriation, but historically inaccuracy as you said and cultural insensitivity.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The exploitation of cultural history, inaccurate or not, is appropriation.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I disagree pretty hard, particularly when the history in question is the first contact between cultures. It is European American history as much as Native American history. It is both of their story to tell. There is obviously a difference in power dynamics between those two parties, but to categorize the entirety of media exhibiting the history wherein those cultures contacted as exploitative or appropriation, just makes no sense. And discouraging that sort of media just lends to even more ignorance than we already have.

Inaccurate, whitewashed, insensetive, malicious, or otherwise disrespectful depictions of cultures and history are a problem. But accurate depictions of history, particularly of or involving your own culture (though I would argue that it doesn't matter the culture if it is accurate and reapectful), are educational, representative, and not something to discourage. And they are not exploitative unless made at the expense of someone else.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A major problem was that the history presented was inaccurate.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I know. That is what I said was the problem with the movie. You said it was a problem inaccurate or not.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. I am not HobbitFoot. Pay attention.
  2. It is a problem inaccurate or not. I vehemently disagree with you that rapers and pillagers should be able to claim the rape and pillage as their cultural history.
[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? How is negative history not part of your cultural history? Would you have them erase that history? How is that not whitewashing? Wars? Colonization? Subjugation? These aren't culturally relevant? Arguably the negative history is more important, especially when it collides with other cultures because that history can be defining for the other culture.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? A bunch of white people made a shit load of money off a movie that exploits history. I don’t understand why you aren’t getting why people have a problem with that.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In this particular case, with the film Pocahontas, the problem was the whitewashing, the inaccuracy, and the insulting implications of those inaccuracies. But by your metric, the History channel producing a documentary about Jamestown, or about Columbus, and giving every accurate gritty detail of those cultural clashes, including the raping and pillaging, you are saying it is fundamentally wrong to make such a thing because they are white and profiting off of their work. Right? You're ridiculous.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The metric I am trying to point out that you don’t seem to get is who made it. I am saying it is fundamentally wrong for white people to make profit off the stories of them raping and pillaging regardless of how accurate it is. The inaccuracy makes it worse but accuracy wouldn’t make it better.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Cool. I disagree entirely. I think we should even be encouraging it. Awareness, Cautionary tales, accurate history, these are the only ways we, ideally, prevent recurrence. It will always be better and more personal for the creators to be a part of that culture. But I think those of the perpetrating culture also bare a responsibility to learn and amplify knowledge of the mistakes of the past. And if there is no profit motivation, no one, regardless of culture, will make these stories. That's just the reality we live in. Call it evil if you must, but it is a necessary evil that serves a greater good.

Also, you have a problem specifically with production media profiting from these stories... do you have a problem with a white teacher telling kids about the Underground Railroad? Because they're paid to do that too. How about a black person making a show about America's oppressive history and including stories about Native Americans, Asians, Hispanics and Hawaiians? I just want to know where the line is.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

PBS exists. People would make things with no profit motive.

Let me ask you this; would you be okay with members of certain terrorist groups making money off movies about 9/11 or other attacks? Are you okay with that song made by the J6 choir being on streaming services?

If you are then fine, we will just have to agree to disagree. But if those ideas are irksome to you then I would ask that you extrapolate that feeling to try to understand why people flocking to see for example Killers of the Flower Moon when nobody would have gone to see it if it had been made by Sterlin Harjo for instance irritates the group of people who are the subject of the movie.

I feel like you are getting lost in the weeds from the original point. Accuracy does not negate insensitivity. Intent, however, can but does not always.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

PBS exists. People would make things with no profit motive.

🤣 Do you think the people that produce content for PBS dont get paid?!

Let me ask you this; would you be okay with members of certain terrorist groups making money off movies about 9/11 or other attacks? Are you okay with that song made by the J6 choir being on streaming services?

First of all, you are making a false equivalency. J6 rioters and terrorists are actively criminals and you are asking about them making money off their own personal crimes. It is a little different to be talking about people making shit about people in the past that did bad shit that happens to share their race or culture. You get the right?

But I'm not going to cop out of this question even if it is an unfair exaggerated comparison. My answer? No, idgaf. I care about their crimes and that they get justice for them. I dont care even slightly about their films, songs or whether they are profiting on them. If someone wants to pay to consume that shit, all the power to them. On the scale of things they have done, that doesn't even come close to ranking.

Such a weird fucking question...

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And wasn't it the whole world in the last movie, WALL-E?

Yes, but it's set far in the future, long after every corner of the planet has been thoroughly Americanized

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

The punchline is the last panel.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, but mainly within the USA.

Cultural appropriation was a major issue with black Americans for generations, with black artists getting paid pennies on the dollar for their work. You also have Native American culture being wildly misrepresented for white people's entertainment. Since this is a part of American history, there is a sensitivity that the people who produced the culture should partake in its use and profit.

The rest of the world doesn't care as much, since that history isn't there. If anything, other countries might see it as a mark of prestige that another country is taking such an interest in their culture.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you think we, outside of the US, hadn't heard of Scotland before Merida?

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How many Americans had even a little knowledge of these different cultures prior to Disney making mainstream and popular movies?

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

The amount of Americans that claim to be Scottish because their great great grandparent once farted in Edinburgh is pretty damned high to be fair.

The difference between the amount of Americans with genuine Scottish ancestry and the amount who arbitrarily claim Scottish ancestry is absurd. I dunno if they all saw Braveheart and decided "Freedom! Fuck yeah, I want some of that!" or what but it's ridiculous.