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is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation or are these just examples of Disney sharing or bringing cultures to the mainstream?
I mean, the post is just a joke, but is the underlying theme at least something people really care about? More than they care about the representation these movies have given to these cultures?
is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation
100%. As the first example I can think of out of pocket (and there are many more if you take a cursory look at any of their movies), they tried to file a trademark to claim "Dia de los Muertos,” or “Day of the Dead”. The backlash was pretty fucking insane.
That one is shitty, but mind giving more example? As a non-white and non-westerner i'm very confused about all these "cultural appropriation".
Some westerners believe that culture should not be shared and everyone should keep to their own culture or else risk appropriating that culture, which is seen as a type of colonialism. I disagree with this notion but I’m in the minority on this.
I’m Jewish and it would be sick if more people ate matzah ball soup. This however would be seen as cultural appropriation though.
Hm, it think it's seen more as taking something from a marginalised culture and making it a fad - like wearing dreads as a caucasian - and therefore removing this specific aspect from its cultural context.
Now I also don't quite agree with this interpretation and I, too, prefer the more positive connotation of taking part in it and sharing cultural phenomena. If someone borrows from my culture I generally like it, as long as it is done respectfully and in good faith, but I am not part of a marginalised group.
Honestly the people who confuse honest cultural imitation or fusion with appropriation aren’t thinking critically about what harm is being done.
American exceptionalism produces a lot of these false positive responses, which is super annoying because it’s a real problem with economic consequences.
E.g. dreads is an ancient hairstyle for different ethnicities, cf. any sadhu, and no one is getting rich off of it.
Depending on who you ask, Jews could potentially be considered a marginalized group. I don’t speak for all Jews at all but I’ve never been offended or felt that my culture was being stolen by someone using Yiddish slang or eating kugel or matzah or challah or any other Jewish food. Hell, if someone walked in and was all “sup bitches, it’s Tu BiShvat, yesher koach yall” id be in stitches and happy that someone paid attention and remembered.
But again, I’m vastly in the minority on this.
Yeah, that’s inaccurate, sorry.
It’s actually a pretty nuanced topic, that has been attacked and thus muddled intentionally, but the simplified version is similar to fraud.
Basically, if it’s not your culture, but you act like it is and get paid (or equivalent) for representing it in some way, then it is appropriation. Whether that matters or not depends on power relations, so people at the wrong end of the genocide stick, for instance the Cree, don’t want people to make and sell something like headdresses that are supposed to be reserved for very specific purposes. It’s a ripoff and wrong on multiple levels.
Think ‘stolen valour’ responses for people wearing military medals without the right, but add on lost income and a history of shit and abuse as salt in the wound.
I thought it was claiming a cultural thing as your own, disregarding the origins. Your definition seems to be more racist driven fear of intermingling, to separate cultures.
My definition is how I’ve seen it used in practice. I brought in bagels from the Jewish bakery near me once in university and no one touched them because it was “Jew Food” and they didn’t want to “appropriate” lmao. More bagels for me, but damn.
Imagine missing out on a potential positive experience because of social fear of being labeled some form of racist. People are more scared of being called racist than actually functionally being one.
…Bagels are considered “ethnic” now? My heart hurts.
Also with someone bringing in something from their own culture to share; partaking in that offering isn’t (shouldn’t be?) racist. It’s polite and a form of bonding with fellow humans.
I would see that as just straight up racism. Being fearful of trying something new or exotic because of a backlash of your ingroup is terrible and very clique like, conservative republican like. Sorry that you had to experience that. I personally enjoy experiencing other cultural things, especially foods, and would not miss an opportunity to try new things.
But then how would the OOP's example count when pixar didn't claim culture?
I asked this question because i'm super confused after watching the beginning of this video, which sort of match what OP said.
I also heard some people define it as purposefully misrepresentation of a culture or ethic, which tbh is bad(like how hollywood movies often portray some country) but it doesn't seems to be what most "cultural appropriation" are about
There's also another famous example from 2018, which an american chinese accusing a white highschool student for wearing qi pao as a prom dress, which funny enough, got the approval of asian chinese after the fiasco make its round. In my country we wear each other ethnic's cloth often, no one have any issue with it, it's confusing why it's such a sensitive issue.
There's of course very bad actor out there but a lot of times it's a head scratcher for me.
OP would be complaining that they didn't show enough diversity if they didn't have these movies. Can't win with some people.
Pocahontas and Mulan come to mind immediately as movies that pissed a lot of people off. Pocahontas especially since they whitewashed an already whitewashed story.
Yea, but I dont think that that was for cultural appropriation, but historically inaccuracy as you said and cultural insensitivity.
The exploitation of cultural history, inaccurate or not, is appropriation.
And wasn't it the whole world in the last movie, WALL-E?
Yes, but it's set far in the future, long after every corner of the planet has been thoroughly Americanized
The punchline is the last panel.
Yes, but mainly within the USA.
Cultural appropriation was a major issue with black Americans for generations, with black artists getting paid pennies on the dollar for their work. You also have Native American culture being wildly misrepresented for white people's entertainment. Since this is a part of American history, there is a sensitivity that the people who produced the culture should partake in its use and profit.
The rest of the world doesn't care as much, since that history isn't there. If anything, other countries might see it as a mark of prestige that another country is taking such an interest in their culture.
Do you think we, outside of the US, hadn't heard of Scotland before Merida?
How many Americans had even a little knowledge of these different cultures prior to Disney making mainstream and popular movies?
The amount of Americans that claim to be Scottish because their great great grandparent once farted in Edinburgh is pretty damned high to be fair.
The difference between the amount of Americans with genuine Scottish ancestry and the amount who arbitrarily claim Scottish ancestry is absurd. I dunno if they all saw Braveheart and decided "Freedom! Fuck yeah, I want some of that!" or what but it's ridiculous.
I want to argue against it but I'm too fat to dispute it.
I won't stand for this!
plops down heavily into chair panting
Oh great! You made me remember Coco and now I am crying again. Thanks a lot!
Recuérdame...
Before people take this too seriously, I think Toy Story was set in America and so was Inside Out and they seemed pretty slim. I'm sure there's a lot of others too.
I just think Americans should learn to take a joke considering they're living in one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dunno maybe some fresh new material would be nice for once
Honey... you first. It's kind of hard for us to make fun of your culture when milk can grow one faster. You've got like 5 unique things to your country overall and (somehow) two of them involve dead or endangered kids. Otherwise any individual insult has to be state specific because the United States is the only country on the planet that even the 10th psychiatrist would say is schizophrenic.
Honey… you first.
Established yourself as being deeply insufferable impressively quickly. Few traits more immediately obnoxious than this flavor of 'sassy condescension'. It's not unique, and it's not clever. You just sound whiny.
That goes doubly when it's the lead-in to a protracted "nuh uh, that's you" fueled by a litany of ignorant stereotypes. You sound like the kind of person who'd react to someone saying they didn't like your cooking by telling them that they can't complain because they aren't a Michelin restaurant chef.
All of those words and not a single one that
a) Matters
b) Has value
c) Refutes a single word I said.
Gaze upon my field of fucks and know that it is barren. Honey.
Go cry some more
I wasn't asking for more proof of the insufferableness, but thanks anyway, lol.
Okay, honey
Additionally, there was no America in WALL-E, it was all Buy n Large corporation. Not that I disagree with the memes premise, however.
As an American, I'm willing to speculate that Buy N Large might not even be based on my country.
Goes back to sipping a Big Gulp
"Big Gulps, huh? Alright! Well, see ya later!"
Everytime.
Inside Out is Canada, no?
Unless there's a Minnesota and San Francisco in Canada, no.
Oh, right. That fact definitely never registered in my mind. I've only watched each film once, and my impression was they moved to San Francisco from Canada. Hence my doubt.
Must've been all the hockey.
Ah, you're right. They moved to San Francisco, but yes the family was originally from Canada.
I mean, there were some slim San Francisco people in the movie there still too. From like the bus and the school kids! ... I feel like I'm fumbling ... lol
It seems like they were originally from Minnesota. I stand corrected.
lol, oh right ... it's just that they liked hockey so they had to be from Canada 🤣 in my mind
What's the Italian one?
Luca (2021).