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You must understand, the Russian and Chinese agents who seek to divide us are now turning Democrats against each over by bisecting them into “the left” and an ancient definition of “liberals” that would include George Bush Sr among other right wing characters.
That what the aim of these posts is. Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
Are these Russian and Chinese agents who want to divide "us" (who do you mean with "us"?) In the room with us right now?
I guess I can ignore about 150 years of history then, huh? Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, homie.
Liberalism
The pursuit of personal freedom is right-wing? I didn't know that. I still don't know that!
Does the left-wing oppose personal freedom as a top priority?
I don't know what source that is and I don't want to open that link again.
Liberalism also has the guarantee of private property as another "most important goal", which is why the ideology is so in favour of capitalism.
Also, liberals mostly focus on negative freedom, i.e. freedom from inhibitions, while e.g. leftists focus on freedom to do something.
So, yeah. Focusing on the freedom to squeeze your tenants for rent, destroy the environment, exploit your fellow humans, etc. is right wing.
If you really want to understand the "left-right" political framework, I can't recommends the channel "what is politics" on youtube enough. This video should be a short intro to the topic, while this one goes into more detail.
No, you don't get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don't in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.
Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it's neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly
You're neglecting subclassification
which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.
Let's not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.
I don't decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.
OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called "USA". In that context, liberalism is right wing.
How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.
No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A "social market economy" is still capitalist.
They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.
Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole "rule of law" bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.
Scarily enough, Eastern European bot farms with strong ties to Russia have been all over the internet for ages.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
Also, Microsoft releases reports on foreign influence ahead of US elections:
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2023/11/MTAC-Report-2024-Election-Threat-Assessment-11082023-2-1.pdf
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2024/04/MTAC-Report-Elections-Report-Nation-states-engage-in-US-focused-influence-operations-ahead-of-US-presidential-election-04172024.pdf
These influences now have moved overseas to the UK and Australia.
It's pretty universally accepted by anyone who cares enough to look that there are Eastern European (Russian) bot farms manipulating social media to divide and weaken Western countries.
yeah, it's how we got brexit and trump
And... the explicit anarchist is a russian troll now? O.o
I don't follow.
I was simply replying to the statement:
With some facts about that sort of thing happening, since many people seem to be unaware and take a similar tone implying it's crazy.
Just because something exists, doesn't mean it's valid to accuse someone of being that thing whenever they say something you don't like.
Nazis exist, too. That doesn't mean it's valid to accuse Anark of being a nazi.
Funny how they also sell the “solutions” to this scary “problem”.
Or maybe Democrat policy deserves legitimate criticism after repeated failures? No, it must be those scary foreigners.
Where's the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot? So far it looks like splitting up factions instead of that.
You mean like Bernie Sanders, who the democratic party fought harder against than Trump? Good luck getting a progressive candidate to pass through the party-controlled primary process.
Persistence is key, and there are other political offices & levels of government. Republicans didn't take power by limiting their focus to the federal presidency. Internecine battles don't necessarily promote more progressives onto ballots.
The problem is that persistence requires money to be practical. You're not going to find as many people to dedicate such a significant chunk of their lives voluntarily promoting progressive candidates (who themselves are running with low funds). It's not impossible for there to be some success stories, but the odds are so ridiculously low and even if progressives were to get a foothold, the billionaires would change the rules to favor themselves again. That's not to say it's not worth trying, but we have to recognize that how much things are stacked against us and that even the democratic party, seemingly our only viable path through this corrupt system, is not on our side.
I don’t understand the question. Can you please specify what location you would like me to provide example candidates for? Also, how many ‘s’ letters are in “strawberry”?
Maybe reread the question.
Oh, are we playing the AI game? Let's pretend we're AI. Here's some fun punctuation:
–—…―Beep bip boop.
That sounds just like what a leftist what believes slightly different than I do would say! They ruined leftism!
My favorite feature of being a lefty is how well we get along with each other.
My favorite lefties work on themselves and seek to genuinely understand the roots of any disagreement.
At the best of times, they cut through the crap by aligning with me on the basic values we all hold. Such as:
Isn’t this everyone’s experience?