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AI usage. People who blindly hate it fail to realize you can use AI locally without empowering the shitty corporations that are buying up all the RAM/storage and being irresponsible with their water usage for cooling. Data centers suck, but AI is awesome.
That's a pretty blind take that ignores the other reasons people hate AI. Also, good lord tech bro logic.
It's fine to personally hate AI, but a lot of people dog pile others for using it for themselves. I despise corporate AI, but if someone is locally hosting their own, not using it comercially, and not stuffing it down other people's throats through their "artwork" they "made" or other nonsense I don't see the problem of making the best out of a bad situation.
Care to enumerate them? I've yet to read a valid reason to hate my using an open weights model, powered by solar energy, on my personal hardware. Doesn't stop the hate, but I'm always open to hearing why it exists.
"My GPU runs on solar" is a great answer... to a question nobody asked. Hosting locally cuts server energy use. It doesn't magically erase the training data issues, copyright, scams, misinformation, hallucinations, or the broader social impacts. You're arguing against one criticism while pretending you've answered them all.
It was a response to "AI ruins the environment." Humans have the same training data issues as AI, so therefore there are none. Copyright can be addressed in the same way as humans. Scams? What does that even mean? What scams do AI do that humans don't? Misinformation? Because humans are infallible and always give correct info? Hallucinations? Right, I forgot humans are perfect and always give the right info.
Broader social impacts is a new one. You hate AI because of broader social impacts? You got me then. There's no answer for that. Alright, everyone, pack Pandora's Box back up, Tenniswaffles hates AI because of the broader social impacts so we have to abandon the technology.
If you ascribe non validity to every argument you dislike, it's a matter of course that you'll only find your viewpoint the only valid one.
So: no. You've got nothing, just blind hatred.
No. I'm calling you out because you already know the theft arguments, and are intentionally calling them bullshit.
Yeah, we're all thieves. Only the blind and deaf are not. Great argument. You win.
Ho boy
I hope the boy you're ho'ing is blind and deaf. Otherwise anything they say or create can be attributed to the data they've been exposed to in the past and they'll be guilty of copyright infringement just through the act of thinking! Poor boy.
This is precisely why I called your bullshit from the first comment.
Bravo. You're great at knowing your bullshit argument will win any debate.
Out of curiosity, if someone wants to become an artist and trains by watching Disney films, how much do they owe Disney before they're allowed to make anything?
Oh, wait, let me guess: the rules you've made up don't apply to biological neutral networks, only digital ones, right? Brilliant. I can see why you win debates by calling bullshit right at the onset.
Or maybe I was talking about how the material fed into the AI was largely pirated content that they did not pay for. Content, that if you are a human, you'd legally have to pay to read. And they got away with pirating jusssst fine for commerical use.
I don't need to get into flimsy but still correct shit about how there's a substantial difference between only extracting from other's content compared to writing with your own experiences combined, because they committed crimes to obtain the data that they used to create AI.
More however, you pretend that personal hardware somehow doesn't have an environmental impact? That's also laughable.
My call of bullshit was correct, so I'm going to laugh at you complaining about it
Oh, right, you know everything that went into training every model and can pinpoint what was illegally obtained and what was not. I forgot. It must be nice having such knowledge, and makes winning arguments really easy since you can prove it on demand.
Sorry, are you writing your post on a piece of recycled paper, with renewable-sourced ink, and then walking it to your ISP where they inject the message via manual modulation of the signal without any frivolous use of electricity? Very impressive. I wish we all had that luxury. My solar array just doesn't compare. I'm so wasteful.
Yes, yes, you and your made up rules with no legal standing, with a complete lack of hypocrisy are very impressive. Laugh at the pigeon-delivered missive in your hands until the light from the renewable candles burns out. You've earned it with your moral superiority and impressive ability to unilaterally decide what is and isn't legal. I'm sure blind, deaf people will write stories about you some day since they're the only ones who can without infringing on the rights of content they've seen or heard.
A round of applause for Fred, the Fish Lord, please! Truly, we should all strive to be as carbon neutral, universally omniscient and legislatively powerful as him.
Where did the training data come from?
Oh yeah, shitty corporations that scraped the web.
Where do artists inspiration come from? Oh yeah, shitty people scraped all the other art.
As we know, this destroys the original art and is stealing to boot. Only the blind and deaf are truly creative.
You know that's not even slightly similar, don't be trying to do "Behold! A man!" this isn't fucking Ancient Greece
Thanks for your opinion, even if it is incorrect.
Wow it must feel so good to "win" every discussion, huh? Who knew that the secret was to just never ever thoughtfully consider what anyone else says and to cling to your argument no matter what.
Because who cares about being right when you can make yourself feel good about the thing you believe, right or wrong? Genius!
What argument? They didn't argue anything. They just said I was wrong. You're a hoot.
You are obviously "good" at arguing. You have made a clear point. I didn't mean for this post to generate arguments .
I'm attempting to educate. There are literally people on here that believe that AI is "a database with auto-complete.". It's so ignorant that it would be funny, if they hadn't organized into an angry mob out to slander anyone who dares use neural networks to boost their productivity.
It's a classic case of ignorance breeding hatred, and the only way to resolve it is for them to understand the technology. Unfortunately most seem unwilling to incorporate understanding into their worldview and cling to misconceptions.
I don't enjoy arguing, I just can't abide misinformation causing derision.
I mean I am not against AI. I pay for ChatGPT plus. My brother and I have gotten rogue type AIs off the dark web and mess around with them locally. I use Gen AI for reference images to look at when I draw. They are also for inspiration. I just feel it is an injustice to artists. If it were somehow possible for Gen AI to credit the sources of its generations, which I don't believe is possible since the training is baked into the AI. That would be advantageous. Regardless, I don't have any real strong opinions for or against it.
An artist stealing in the way Pablo Picasso argued is not the same as a company using copyrighted material to train its AI. Companies are held to a much higher standard than an individual artist who steals a few elements from other artists to create their own style. Machine's don't have these rights. They must comply with what companies have to comply with. There is no debate.
That's your opinion, Orc. Your opinion does not settle debates.
We can agree to disagree.
Agreed.
My guess is that the great bulk of the anti-AI stuff originates with people who are scared of losing their jobs in some way.
Yeah, probably. That's on the shitty fascist governments, though, that should implement Universal Basic Income and tax the companies profiting from AI to fund it. Their anger is severely misplaced and it's incredibly frustrating as someone who went to university for years to study AI.