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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/49053959

Fans of Taylor Swift have been shocked after it emerged that a contractor for the controversial Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) was in attendance at her wedding.

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It appears that Steven J. Demetriou, the Executive Chair of a company called Amentum Services was also among the crowd gathered to see the happy couple say ‘I do.’

Amentum Services is currently the sole contractor for ICE’s Camp East Montana, a detention centre in El Paso.

The artist has faced swift backlash for her choice of guests, including online commenters who have shared their dismay on social media.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 255 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Taylor Swift is a billionaire. Those who had the illusion that a billionaire can be anything other than a disgusting member of the unelected ruling elite just got a reality check.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 65 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Isn't she from a wealthy family too?

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 5 points 6 hours ago

She is Daddy's entertainment investment that paid very well in return

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 84 points 1 day ago (6 children)

yes, thus the reason she's famous. she bought her way to fame to provide the masses with her mediocre music. and if anyone tells you it ISN'T medicore, they're lying to you and themselves.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you.

Also how can anyone see that hairstyle and not think hunger game republican.

My theory is she went with bangs early in her career to hide the wrinkled forehead that she didn't even have yet. Cheaper and more effective than botox.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago (17 children)

I don't listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough. People really have a difficult time separating their opinions of a person from their opinions of that person's work.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

For real. The sanctimonious bullshit of Lemmy is probably the worst part. Who cares if people like her music?

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

I think if you avoid the "meme" sort of communities, you'll see less of that sort of effect. I've recently left most of the meme communities I was a member of, aside from very themed ones like star trek ones, and it feels more like people react much better to reason now. I was happy to see that my comment wasn't downvoted here.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Her look, stage show, music is all the efforts of many people in a large, profitable corporation.

Every notice how female singers need to look like fashion models??

[–] mienshao@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, Adele tore up the scene during the 2000s-2010s and she wasn’t no fashion model. I’m sorry, but this isn’t a good argument. I could name many, many female artists who don’t fit that mold.

Adele has a god-tier voice, something that is absolutely not true of Taylor Swift.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Unfair standards for women as usual.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough.

Yeah, that's about where I am with it as well. After the umpteenth time someone was like, "No! It's genius! You haven't given it a chance!" I listened to a handful of what they said were her top picks. And yeah, it's not bad. In fact there's a lot to like about it: incredibly good production, use of all the things that make a song interesting (varied tempo and use of speeds, chord changes, dynamic volume, etc) but beyond that I found it kind of meh, maybe even just a tiny bit formulaic, and they started to blend on me.

And they all sound like Taylor Swift, which is objectively NOT a bad thing for an artist to create, but compare and contrast artists and bands that evolve so much they constantly have songs and albums that don't sound like themselves, not just over time but from one album to the next. This is my own preference and taste, and I think I got it from listening to a lot of jazz and/or jazz-inspired music created by musicians that take every limit and push it just a hair farther or in a different direction than expected.

No shade to Taylor fans at all, and I mean no disrespect. It's NOT bad music. I'm even a tiny bit jealous they have the fan community that they do because it sounds like a lot of fun. But the music just doesn't appeal much to me.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

dynamic volume

I'm gonna disagree with this one, at least. That is definitely not a characteristic of modern pop music and Swift's music is no exception.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Fair enough. It's there, but absolutely within the limits you describe, lol.

[–] tburkhol@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago

People know that listening to music supports the creator, and they don't like supporting shitty people. There's tons of people making really good music, so you can satisfy both the desire to enjoy good music and support good people.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thats just because you haven't heard the 100 better musicians who's daddy couldn't buy them into the business.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think the existence of better musicians means other musicians are objectively bad, though. There may be hundreds of people who can write better comments than me, but that doesn't mean my comments are bad.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think if you heard all the objectively better stuff given the treatment it deserves, you wouldn't have any interest in the stuff that's being crammed down your throat. Not that it would be worse than it is today, it just wouldn't get the money and attention and production it gets due to far better things being available on the market.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I already have no interest in Taylor Swift, though. I just have heard some of her music and I don't think people have bad taste in music if they like it. I'm already an older man, and there's only so much I can permit myself to become a stereotype.

Anyways, I mostly listen to Japanese music, to try to help me learn/maintain Japanese, and Japanese music I think is even more corporate than American music. If I had it in my heart to dislike corporate music, I wouldn't have any room to dislike things like 6-7, which is far more important.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 4 points 1 day ago

I don't begrudge anyone their love of Taylor Swift either. I just think that it's mostly because that's what was fed to them rather than because of any genius she may have.

I, also an older man, don't spend much time disliking pop culture, whether it be Talylor Swift or 6-7, neither of which matter much to me despite having a 9 year old that said it pretty constantly last year. I save most of my hate for the fascists ruining our world.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She didn't take any one person's place. She just jumped the queue. The others could still try and make it without money. It's just a lot harder.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yes they can try to be the best producer, mixer, recording engineer, mastering engineer, marketing, PR/AR, distribution, promotion, tour booking manager, in order to rise to the level of those spending millions on it.

A few actually pull that off. But for the most part those things are reserved for acts with money to spend. Stuff like almost all large venues being owned by only 1 company with deep ties to the established record and promotion companies makes it very hard to book your show there even if you had the money to do so.

The truth is that the vast majority of pop stars come from wealthy and connected families who can afford to buy them into the business or who are already established in the entertainment businesses.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People whose only exposure to her music is the radio hits and people who were never a teenage girl are the ones complaining about her music. If you don't get it, that's fine. Its not for you. It's not for me.

Lady Gaga has done the same thing yet gets a fraction of the hate. Radio bangers fund the real artist.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People whose only exposure to American for-profit concentration camps from FOX news and people who never had to a gun pointed at them because of the color of their skin are the ones defending inviting a modern day slaver to a wedding.

If you don't get it, that's on you.

She could be the best artist in the world but if she hangs out some of the worst human being in the world it shouldn't matter.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Although I am sure that I have heard them in passing, I have never knowing listened to a Taylor Swift song.

Almost all of my exposure to recent pop music is either from late-night grocery shopping or from the swim club a block from my house that has a DJ three or four nights a week during the summer. Unfortunately that's enough for all of it. I can even sing along to fucking Imagine Dragons.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/15zzftc/how_did_taylor_swift_parents_help_her_reach_the/

TLDR her dad works in finance, moved the family to Nashville, and supported her career at every step. So she very much got carried by her parents even if they didn't buy her fame.

Given the Music Industry's history of insidership and hand selecting artists for the highest level of promotion; I think the lack of "smoking guns" such as her parents mass buying her albums or paying off producers etc just shows how inorganic and corporatized popular music is.

The fact that she's alt-country is the smoking gun. WWE is less fake than Country Music.

[–] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

WWE is less fake than Country Music.

If country music is all fake, then explain this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1hnBv12-uk

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Her father bought a shareholding in the record label that then signed her.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Ah there it is.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My brother Bill and my other brother Jack. A belly full of beer and a possum in a sack.

Now that's some quality writing right there!

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Peak alt-country

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Depends on how you define $250,000 in cash. Way more than the average American has on hand, not exactly a crazy amount to have if you don't spend it on a bigger house and expensive car as soon as you can and save your kid's college fund. It's a hefty sum, but people comment like she's a forgotten Rockefeller.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Yes and most of her friends are suspiciously maga

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Out of 1000 people invited to the wedding, the adoptive father of Travis Kelce 's childhood friend is an objectively evil person. Has there ever been a wedding in the world without one total dick that had to be invited because of some family obligation? Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones? Besides the journalists searching for celebrity dirt to exploit after the fact, that is.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones?

If I was a billionaire pop-star with a reputation to preserve, I would.

I guarantee you every single person who was invited at Taylor Swift's wedding was personally vetted by her. Nobody there was there by mistake.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm not a pop star or anything, but the number of my husband's friends' parents who were invited to our wedding was zero.

Did these people run out of actual friends and family to invite? That's sad.

I've literally never heard of anybody inviting their friends' parents to their wedding.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

If you offered a friend a plus-one and they brought a parent rather than a date it could have happened to you.

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