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Ukrainian drones flew all the way to Siberia to strike Russia's largest oil refinery
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2026
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We need some research into how effective drone strikes against refineries are to stop climate change. Are they a net gain in carbon emissions, considering the cost of manufacture and the prevented emissions?
Well, the oil is going to get burned eventually, so it's a question of "burn the refinery now" or "continuously burn oil from ongoing production now and in the future".
What is good or bad? If everyone in the U.S. and Russia died tomorrow, the world would be better off right? But how many "innocents died". Innocent is just bias. So if you want prevented emissions, kills every human. Or... Maybe that's evil?
Gotta make it worse.
There's the emissions from while it's on fire plus some of the chemicals in it are worse after being burned like that then in regular emissions. Or become other environmental issues on their own once released/burned.
Then the emissions from building a new one.
It's so much better to just shut it down because no one needs it than blow them up
In Russia's case, depending on how things go, that many not apply all that much.
If things go far enough it might lead to Ukraine striking construction sites of oil refineries. Still not great, but much less worse than an actual running refinery.
Do you think it won't be rebuilt at all?
You need to cut demand. If the price goes up, refineries are just build elsewhere.
There can be demand destruction from high prices
This. See how the hormuz crisis has caused many to pivot to renewables.
Perhaps, but you can’t tell me Russia can build them faster than Ukraine can destroy them. And in the meantime it means millions of fewer barrels worth of greenhouse gas emissions.
They can be built outside Russia.
Sure, but that’s not a solution for Russia’s own energy demands
I was thinking more of the globalized market for oil.
If Russia can export less refined oil, that can encourage the construction of new refineries elsewhere. This could negate the impact of drone attacks on reducing CO2 emissions.
But as others have said, there's demand destruction that can have an effect.
Raise the price enough, and the sold amount will drop. Also, people/industry will begin to look for alternatives.
Yes, there's even a name for this: demand destruction.
In many cases it's cheaper to replace it with green alternatives. The refineries have competition from windmills, solar plants, etc. It's not a given that new refineries will fill the gap in the market that destroyed refineries leave.
I do expect the destruction of refineries to be more positive for the climate than if they had continued producing. Especially if you factor in the demand for reliable supply and strategic availability of energy.
drones are cheap.
Maybe in the past but there’s more alternatives now.
Lmao, no.