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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Username not checking out at all. You can understand multiple things are true. That America is trash and seems hopeless, and also is important to people beyond its borders in many ways.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can understand dozens of illegal wars, CIA black site torture dungeons, coups, mercenary groups, and dead civilians.

Genocide and slavery.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't address what I said. You cannot disprove someone's ideas by changing the subject like you did with both me and the person who responded above. Yes america sucks. Doesn't mean we should blindly hope for it to fail, ignoring all the fallout that innocent people will suffer. Accelerationists are the worst.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you think people outside the British Empire during the height of its death and destruction campaign prayed for its collapse?

Its good for you to see what non-Americans think of your country.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Accelerationists are bad people, doesn't matter to me at all how many of them exist, they're still morally bankrupt

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That just seems to be par for the fucking course this day and age for super powers and their vassal states. So unless you live in isolation or are currently typing from Palestine you are part of it all too.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not what we're talking about here lol, america is the global hegemon, and because of that they are uniquely equipped to mass produce death, destruction, and misery.

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t know if you have been paying attention since 2016, fuck since 9/11, but America is not THE global hegemonic power anymore. And hasn’t been for a long time. And it is what we are talking about here because you. Have laid out a laundry list of things that America is surely guilty of and want to murder Americans and I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of just singling out America as the only hegemony with a list like this. As if it were the only country doing/having done these things. Sure it’s a whatabout but within this context it’s a very important whatabout.

Just out of curiosity where are you from?

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about murder Americans? I said death to America, is America a person? America is a country. Your country needs to be sanctioned out of existence and balkanized.

Wow what a surprise, you wanna know where I'm from so you can try and make me feel shitty about the things my country has done. Let's stay on the topic of how shitty America is, please. Start your own comment chain if that's not to your taste.

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t need you to feel shitty about where you live.

Death to America is a slogan that doesn’t exist in an innocuous vacuum where it translates to balkanize America (which would be utterly catastrophic for everyone like we were talking about.)

And I would like to know where you are from. I am very very familiar with how shitty America is. I am not however familiar with you, where you are from, or if you are even a real person.

I would prefer to see my country reformed. Not sure that’s going to happen. But you want to destroy America and think that doesn’t involve killing Americans than I don’t know what to tell you.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Death to America.

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well you’ll get your wish with the climate crisis on the horizon. But it’s not just gonna be America. And everything we’ve just trudged through will seem quaint.

Dicks to your mom. Cheers.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No idea. Where did your other reply go. We were in half agreement and now it’s gone.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope, none of my comments have been removed lol. Try again, salty.

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nonconfrontational ↑ 1

•.. 27m

Hopefully whatever intelligence evolves after we're gone learns from our mistakes.

Death to America, cheers!

This one.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmmm well I can’t find it except in the screencap I took.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Buddy if you're that incapable of finding a post that's still up, I regret even trying to engage with you. Look at my profile and then scroll down to my comments. The comment is still up and very visible, lol.

[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Buddy. I’ll take your word for it. Pal.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Hopefully whatever intelligence evolves after we're gone learns from our mistakes.

Death to America, cheers!

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

At what point would you be in favor of death to America? Your political project has gone genocidal, your economics have cemented ecocide, you've got secret police lynching people in the streets, and it has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt that your elected officials are all in a conspiracy to rape and traffic children. I'm guessing there is no point where you'd have any semblance of camaraderie with the third world.

The main character syndrome in your comment is palpable.

"Sure, we've done a bit of genociding Jewish people, but death to the Third Reich? Slow your roll. What about all of the people who depend on our beautiful Mercedes? What about how we as 30s germans are crucial to the international economy? Some sort of depression would increase worldwide suffering"

Just because you are a foundational world economy doesn't mean you get to do genocide. Fuck outta here with this handwringing, pearl clutching, imperialist, liberal, genocide apologia masquerading as utilitarianism.

Just keep in mind the rest of the world hates you.

"Which country is the biggest threat to world peace?"

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the fuck does death to America even mean? You're super pissed at me because of a bunch of shit you made up about me and I'm not engaging anymore unless you calm down and explain what that even means first.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It means death to the American experiment. It's a failure. Fucking read what your country has done since WWII. You are the bad guys.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What does that mean? Killing civilians? Since it sounds like you're advocating for murder but are too chicken shit to admit it. So you say all this other shit because it means you don't have to explain the murders you believe should be committed.

Good strategy /s

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

IT MEANS SANCTIONING YOUR COUNTRY OUT OF EXISTENCE, HOPEFULLY BALKANIZATION.

Which part of that condones murder of civilians. Are you unable to read, or are you pretending not to have registered this very salient point that I've already made?

I'm chicken shit for calling for the downfall of the global hegemony, but you're brave for defending the murder of countless civilians. What a cool mindset you have.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only you had said any of that before I 100% lost interest in speaking to you again

[–] doben@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Not trying to offend, take it as a perspective from outside.

You have a nationalist mindset and are identifying so much with it your nation state, that you‘re automatically equating it with the people living there (mostly themselves oppressed mind you) and jump straight to projection of what would happen, because it‘s exactly what your nation state has done throughout its history, your logical conclusion — war, destruction, mass murder.

Nobody said that, nobody meant that, nobody wants that, but you got triggered, because your first instinct is to be a proud American. You think that about sums it up?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I think what sums all these kinds of threads up is "nuh uh, what you said doesn't matter as much as what I said."

You, like the other guy, have no idea what I meant or am thinking, but you're acting as though you can read my mind perfectly. What I said has NOTHING to do with nationalism. And I don't really feel like explaining myself to people who already incorrectly decided what I'm thinking.

edit: also, I am most certainly not proud to be american. You pulled that out of your ass because it certainly has fuck-all to do with what I wrote.

[–] doben@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Of course, I pulled all of that out of my ass. Just trying to give you my honest understanding of your state of mind, based on the exchanges on this post.

You basically said "I don't wanna hear it", after they tried to overcome your very idea, that they must have meant to kill the people of the USA. An idea so wild, that it only can be manifested through completely equating the citizens of a nation state with the nation state itself.

Being nationalist is a default state of mind in this world of nation states, it's what states do, they nurture a national identity within their citizens. Saying you are nationalist is not necessarily an attack, but mostly a description. People tend to take it as an attack, because they have a vague idea, that identifying with their state a bit too much is a bad thing.

So you reject the idea, yet you act on it.
You can't stand the idea of someone wishing for your nation state to vanish. Because you identify with it.

So you make up vibes-based arguments like
"this guy is an accelerationist" - judged based on what now?;
"they want to kill all citizens" - which is a thought only in your head; and
"people outside of the USA will get hurt, if it suddenly seizes to exist" - nobody said that, that's unrealistic. But we could discuss the topic. Empires do end, people get hurt, sure. But people around the world get hurt every fucking day because of its sole existence and it's not getting any better, so it's a moot argument, if you don't actually qualify your take. You don't, tho, because it's just a vibe. It's not based on logic or knowledge, you just don't like the idea.

All you do is complain based on opposition to what you feel. And from outside, you seem to not like the idea of America going down the drain … it seems like you can't even conceptualize the idea or have a realistic understanding of what the US actually is in the world order, so it's hard to even discuss it with you.

You don't need to agree with me, it's just an interpretation of my perception of your engagement. I'm also not going for a back-and-forth now. Take it or leave it.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Amerikkka" as an entity ceases to exist, it's government vacated, the area that was formerly "USA" divided into however many independent states. This can happen without any violence, though that's probably not likely. Everyday that the US exists people are murdered by American troops. To end the US would save countless lives. Fuck Amerikkka, Death to Amerikkka, I say this as a buddhist who abhors killing.