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All a distraction from the Epstein files

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Infection is the best protection" sounds fucking crazy

I get the context, I get the point

But it's still crazy

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.

These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's the idea behind Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.

The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.

You're not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You're getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It's very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Well yes, I was simplifying for the sake of the layman. Either way youre using a marker for your immune system to target.

I will admit Ive been out of the game, so to speak, long before mRNA vaccines became available so I cant comment on the risks.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 19 hours ago

There's so much mis/dis-information around this stuff I think it's worth being precise. Otherwise you get people arguing with each other where neither side is correct and it's strawmen all round.

I get it. We've all been taught vaccines are all variations on a theme, but I think most have taken the wrong bit. As you say, the theme is training the immune system on something. It's not where that something comes from.

There's people who are scared of vaccines because "they're rewriting our DNA". It's crap, but it's because someone heard about mRNA. They've misunderstood and become alarmed. That then starts spreading. Telling people "You've misunderstood this new amazing tech" lands a lot better than "That's not even how vaccines work" and then explaining something that isn't the COVID vaccine.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I swear these grifters, if enough of their fan base dies too fast, will suddenly call it "The Trump Money shot" because vaccine is a dirty word for them.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's like saying, "The best way to defend yourself from a fight is to intentionally provoke others, then let your ass get kicked when it happens."

Whereas getting vaccinated would be, "Learn self-defense beforehand," with masking and social distancing being, "and avoid getting into fights in the first place."

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

If it were a non mutating virus then getting into one fight would give you life long punch deflection. But COVID changes to rapidly making infection or vaccination only about 6 months of fight free