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All a distraction from the Epstein files
Infection is the best protection? Alright then Rand, please get infected with HIV so that you may be protected from it in the future. Better yet, expose yourself to Marburg virus so you’ll never have to use a vaccine ever again. Doesn’t sound so smart now does it?
Hey, it's still technically correct. Also: Shhh, don't let the right-wing politicians know.
If infection was the best protection...then why did 7 million people die? Was it the best protection for them? What about the other deaths caused indirectly? What is it like 20-30 million deaths? They know what they're saying. Fucking evil fucks.
The core problem with all this anti-vax bullshit, is that Vaccines worked..and they worked too well.
We have entire generations now that have never seen the terrible consequences of Polio, Smallpox, Measels (Although thats quickly changing, Go America! /s), or any other disease thats been eliminated (at least at one point.. Go America! /s) from popular concern and conscious.
and as a result, they have no idea what crippling horrors that they have been, and are actively, protected from.
and because humans are, generally, stupid and irrational and a lot of them lack the capability to think about anything beyond what they can see within 3 feet around them, they scream about the vaccines and call them evil because they have absolute no experience with the alternative, which is the diseases themselves.
True for peace time as well. Very few people arguing for war has actually ever seen combat.
Yep. In this case: rules are written in blood, yet some people forget why they are here in the first place.
Only to inevitably find out "holy shit, now i get it"
Don’t forget scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, puerperal fever, and the plague!
Rand Paul is vaccinated. Reminder to tell anyone who brings him up that fact.
All conservatives are. Even the most vehement anti-vax ones.
Fox News didnt let anyone in the building without a vaccine card at one point.
But conservative voters always conveniently ignore and pretend not to remember all of this.
He doesn’t seem to be claiming he isn’t vaccinated.
RP: hotdogs might not be healthy Lemmy users: you once at a hotdog hahahaha owned noob!
You're either young or not American. Rand Paul has been anti vaccination forever
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rand-pauls-vaccine-claims-microscope
"On Friday night in Iowa, Paul faced likely voters in the state's leadoff nominating caucuses for the first time since answering questions about a measles outbreak centered in California. Paul said Monday that he had heard about "many tragic cases" of children who got vaccines and ended up with "profound mental disorders."
That assertion has no basis in medical research, and Paul clearly was still upset on Friday about how his comments had been received"
This is from early 2015, before COVID btw.
The tweet isn’t any kind of “own.” It doesn’t contradict Rand Paul. Everyone here thinking like this is some really clever gotcha moment … they’re just kind of telling on themselves.
Reminder: The neoeugenics movement wants to ban vaccines for the masses, so that the poor will die from preventable diseases.
Disease mutates if left to eat through the masses. It will mutate into something that kills them too. What an idiotic idea, I struggle to believe these people actually think this way.
Eugenics: I'll make better people for you. Stronger, faster, smarter! A race of Harrison Bergerons!
Eugenicists: But what if we could become immune to polio?
"Infection is the best protection" sounds fucking crazy
I get the context, I get the point
But it's still crazy
Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.
These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.
That's the idea behind Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.
The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.
You're not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You're getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It's very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.
Well yes, I was simplifying for the sake of the layman. Either way youre using a marker for your immune system to target.
I will admit Ive been out of the game, so to speak, long before mRNA vaccines became available so I cant comment on the risks.
There's so much mis/dis-information around this stuff I think it's worth being precise. Otherwise you get people arguing with each other where neither side is correct and it's strawmen all round.
I get it. We've all been taught vaccines are all variations on a theme, but I think most have taken the wrong bit. As you say, the theme is training the immune system on something. It's not where that something comes from.
There's people who are scared of vaccines because "they're rewriting our DNA". It's crap, but it's because someone heard about mRNA. They've misunderstood and become alarmed. That then starts spreading. Telling people "You've misunderstood this new amazing tech" lands a lot better than "That's not even how vaccines work" and then explaining something that isn't the COVID vaccine.
It's like saying, "The best way to defend yourself from a fight is to intentionally provoke others, then let your ass get kicked when it happens."
Whereas getting vaccinated would be, "Learn self-defense beforehand," with masking and social distancing being, "and avoid getting into fights in the first place."
If it were a non mutating virus then getting into one fight would give you life long punch deflection. But COVID changes to rapidly making infection or vaccination only about 6 months of fight free
medical science has shown that long covid fucks with the brain. now, is this an "easy out" for stupid people, or do we really have to consider it
My favorite is that these chucklefucks treat COVID like it was all Dr Fauci's fault, as if every major country in the world didn't also have vaccine strategies in place. The moment you explain the rest of the world doing it better than America, they stare at you like deer in headlights.
remember rand paul is the other SENATOR of kentucky, along with mitch.
So the good folk of Kentucky are represented by one dead senator and the other just brain-dead. I wonder what their internal monologue is convincing themselves that this is something that actually succeeds in "owning the libs"
We all knew infection was the best protection.
Statistically speaking, yes, comparing the group who had had COVID vs the group that was vaccinated, in subsequent COVID infections those who had had the disease were less likely to die.
Because those in the infection group who were most likely to die of COVID had already died. Turns out surviving COVID is a good indicator of your ability to survive COVID.
The statistics on unvaccinated first-time COVID vs vaccinated first-time COVID tells a very different story.
This kind of bullshit frustrates me so much.
No reason works on these people.
A family member boasts that covid wasn't that bad, because he survived it, he doesn't realize that if he didn't, he wouldn't be here making this argument. When bringing up, that his brother in law died he makes an argument that he just had cold and hospital killed him on purpose (conveniently forgetting the fact that you just don't go to a hospital with a cold)
While, yes, there's survivorship bias in such statements I think the stats also showed the chances of contracting a second infection was also lower than a vaccinated person contracting a first infection.
That's not really surprising. A vaccinated person's immune system has just seen a single protein, whereas a COVID survivor's immune system has been trained on the whole virus. I would expect it to perform better.
...but the risk of infection Vs vaccination can't be ignored.