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New York teachers stunned to learn some students can’t read time on old clocks after phone ban comes into play
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Next they’ll be surprised to find that they don’t know long division, cursive writing or 6502 assembly language
Exactly. I’m wondering how many of those teachers could use a slide rule or even an abacus. We’re far enough along now that I bet the majority of teachers would also be lost when confronted with a log table or a topo map and a compass.
Astrolabe and sextant? They’d be totally lost.
I bet most teachers don’t know how to saddle a horse, card and spin wool and flax by hand, or even use a clutch on a manual transmission vehicle, either.
[edit] Ooh… thought of another one! I bet none of the children know how to use a rotary phone either. (In fact, since POTS has been fully DTMF for over 20 years, I doubt a dial phone would actually function today without a converter).
And yet, we still have analog clocks all around us. Seems to me we should know his to use them... Unlike a sextant.
Still, knowing what those things are and how they work just might be useful if something similar becomes important for some reason.
Those things should be known by at least enough of the population to bring them back and use them if everything goes apocalyptic.
If things start falling apart, I'm throwing in with the Amish.
Learning to read analogue clocks also helps provide some foundational learning for circular geometry - being able to quickly identify relevant segments of a circle and their respective fractions (5 minutes = 1/12 = 30° = π/6 rad etc.) helps build towards being able to compute circular geometric problems more easily in later years.
Its good to know how to grow a turnip as a fallback skill.
And raise a barn
Turnips more or less grow themselves, but raising a barn without modern cordless tools and truss plates requires a lot of the skills we should be lamenting the loss of. Hand saws, hand planes, handmade nails (that are expensive), hand sharpening and sanding... there's more to building a barn than growing a field of turnips is all I'm sayin.
Indeed, and even the turnips require soil that helps them grow. The Amish are experts at land management without chemicals. We take such poor care of our land that most nonprofessional farming will take years of land work just to get a useful yield.
I remember we were taught a segment on how to use an abacus and how they worked, because it demonstrated certain mathematical principles. Of course I don't remember now how to use one, but I'm sure that visual demonstration of the mathematical concepts helped us as we were learning math. In the same way, learning about analog clocks at a young age would probably help with learning about geometry/trigonometry, angles and degrees, arcs, etc.
Tbh I think teaching 6502 assembly would be a great idea. You can learn the basics of how computers work without having to deal with all the complexity of a computer from 2026.
It's better to use an AVR for that. 6502 was a ridiculous kludge for the sake of slightly improved code density.
Yeah anything not too complex will work. We had to implement a PIC simulator in university, I thought that was a great exercise too.
Although 6502 actually was my first assembly language.
What is AVR?
8 bit MCU series popularized by the Arduino a decade or two ago. Kind of obsolete now but still has some uses and attractions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_microcontrollers
Is there a such thing as an intentionally simplified assembly language, perhaps one that targets a VM, for ease of development and learning purposes? Like the assembly equivalent of Lua, I guess.
There is TIS-100 by Zachtronics but I don't think that counts.
Z80 would be good too. The kids should be able to implement the instruction set on a breadboard by intuition alone. There's something wrong with the teachers and Big School if the kids don't have it running CP/M by the end of the school year, preferably with a working port of Hack.
These schools don't even teach kids base-8 math. Disgusting.
Youth of today are a failure. They neither show the initiative to adopt new and improved practices the way we broke from those of our parents' generation, nor the wisdom to recognize that our generation's ways are the correct ones and should be followed to the letter.
Youth of today are some of the most forward thinking empathetic no nonsense people around.
I love the younger generations, their compassion and humanity is leagues ahead of their predecessors.
Anyone who shits on them is a failure.
I worry about some things but I do like the activism I'm seeing
Yeah, I share your view. I wish that the youth of today could have grown up in a better world than I did, but unfortunately for most, that's not the case. Sure, there are some things that are better, but by and large, young people are facing so much hard stuff. In spite of that (and perhaps even because of that), I have seen so many of them who are deeply caring and engaged in politics.
Don't mind the people who can't get a joke, I thought this was funny.
You have to be paying attention to this one. An /s would have been a good idea.