What a lack of Marxism-Leninism and historical materialism does to a mf. Literal kindergarten level leftism. These are the same people who will argue that it's the Bolsheviks ackchually who made it possible for fascists to win the Spanish civil war by repressing anarchists (no sources provided)

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[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's an argument against anprims and twitter-anarchists. However

but you can make home chemistry insulin. In fact we used to make that stuff with equipment that was less advanced than what we have in high school chemistry labs.

There are billions of people in the world. In order to produce the amount of equipment, even simple equipment (glasses is my go-to example) for it to be available to all who need it everywhere, then you need complex supply chains. The alternative is a utopian idea of yeoman communities each somehow having access to all the raw materials needed to produce everything, as well as time and knowledge and equipment needed to:

Make and shape glass needed for simple chemistry
Make and shape the tools needed to make and shape glass
Make and shape metal needed for simple chemistry
Make and shape the tools needed to make and shape metal
Produce enough food for livestock needed for insulin extraction
Have access to livestock
Having land on which to field livestock
Some method of herding/keeping livestock
Managing disease risks with livestock
Make tools needed for extraction
Sanitising the work environment
Making the stuff needed to sanitise the work environment
Whatever delivery method is used for homemade insulin also needs to be made
Regularly supplying insulin in the chosen delivery method to those who need it.
Fuel for all these processes
Infrastructure for transport of all these materials within the yeoman community.

For every community everywhere.

On top of that, the idea is that each person does this voluntarily and on their own, whilst still taking care of their own basic needs of food, shelter and so on. And that's just for insulin. Extrapolate it for every medicine, every aid to the disabled, and everything which needs some sort of processed good.
In order to make clean drinking water for millions, you need chemicals at an industrial scale and a lot of work-hours. Or you need vast swathes of land to make root-filtration as well as maintenance. What about power? Okay you need a generator, where do you get that? In this utopia you either make it yourself or a member of your community does. Where do you get the resources, the fuel, the knowledge and so on? What about the billions of other people, millions of other communities?

The argument isn't that it is impossible for a person to make glasses or insulin or living off the grid.
The argument is that the scale at which this needs to be done for everyone who needs it, is impossible without complex supply chains - which require some sort of organizing authority.
This is not an argument against anarchism, I assume there's plenty of anarchist theory that actually treats these issues. It is an argument against the idealistic anarchism that is typical of the online Western left.

Insulin is just a good example for this.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No, insulin is a terrible example and so is glassware. Glassware, especially specialised glassware, was famously one of the last holds out of artisan craftsmanship against industrialised processes.

You are arguing with a strawman, and you are arguing using an example that fits their argument best. Your example is bad.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Brilliant reading comprehension my guy.
I guess all the examples I presented for why disappear. I guess I also somehow argued for general glassware rather than mentioning eyeglasses and then going in detail for chemical-grade glassware for the production of insulin for millions. Seeing as how you consider these arguments bad, let me present ones that equal the ones you present.

Nuh-uh, they're good.

I was not aware this was how arguing was done well, so thank you for enlightening me. I also appreciate knowing that complex supply of all the resources, knowledge and so on needed to produce insulin for everyone who needs it disappears because you say so. Wish you'd use that power for better stuff than formatting a response to a guy online.

I starten nød jeg at du præsenterede heterodoxe idéer, men med tiden er det blevet tydeligt du bare er en tumpe med en træls adfærd. Du er dårlig til at engagere dig med tekst og folk der er uenige med dig, og din vidensbasis er langt under hvad du lader til at tro den er. Så nu blokerer jeg dig. Det er en skam, til at begynde med var dine tendenser en frisk brise, men med tiden er du blevet til en uduelig knark. Håber du vokser ud af det.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago

Being this offended about my reply isn't impressive. Plenty of people get mad, you're not special. Your point is about the need for spcialised industrial labor and your examples are a thing that can be made with relatively simple tools and animal agriculture and the actual last refuge of artisan craftsmanship. I just don't know what to tell you, you want to argue for industrialistion and you chose two bad examples, and being mad that this is highlighted won't change that.