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or "I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE ANARCHISTS DOING TERROR ATTACKS ON THE MARXIST-LENINISTS SAVING US FROM FASCISM!"
What a lack of Marxism-Leninism and historical materialism does to a mf. Literal kindergarten level leftism. These are the same people who will argue that it's the Bolsheviks ackchually who made it possible for fascists to win the Spanish civil war by repressing anarchists (no sources provided)
"You anger then more than the fascists who actually harm them"
No @eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't. This is what I want the fash that are actually harming me to do: (cw: self-harm)
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Meanwhile the reason I don't like deceptichum is that while there's actual fash running around they're posting from AuSStralia about tankies like they're a threat on the same level as the actual fascists roaming the streets. He could actually internalize what other people are saying and I wouldn't have as much of a problem with him.
Additionally the reason people are mocking him is not just "being mad" because he spends most of his energy being dogmatic about tankies, it's because his self-stated position in that meme is "the disabled will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
The position is Malthusianism but with a radical veneer.
@eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com the number of largely western "anarchists" making constant memes trashing Marxists and trying to attack "tankies" far outnumbers the number of Marxist memes attacking anarchists, on Lemmy. There is an extreme imbalance here, because Marxists are attacking fascism and liberalism far more than Marxists attack anarchism. Grad and Lemmy.ml have the odd anarchist-bashing meme here or there, but it is constant from comms like Memes of Production.
It isn't that Marxists don't have the memes, it's that we care more about attacking liberalism and fascism than anarchism. Left-unity doesn't mean letting clear bad-faith and unbacked mud-slinging go unopposed, which is why deceptichum made an entire new comm to ban all dissent from under the guise of "fighting Nazis," as to them Marxists are equivalent to Nazis. Left-Unity means discussion on differences and strategic alliance on what can be alligned on, namely opposition to imperialism and capitalism, not making things up and mud-flinging like political activism is a sport.
Yes, I am banned from deceptichum's echo chamber (for "voting while tankie"), which is why I am responding to you here, where we both can participate if you so chose.
dedicates their free time to make an entire community devoted to tankie hate
"Look at how much attention they pay!"
Pathetic
@eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com If you shit your pants and people say "wow you shit your pants, go wash them" do you think you did something good by getting a lot of attention?
The real Eugene Debs would've beat this guy up tbh
When someone says "destroy mass industrial production", what you should hear is "the disabled will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".
"Who needs toilet paper, we can just use dry leaves"
anprim lifestyle
You just gave more thought into it than they ever have
"Also trans people can just go back to the old days of getting DIY hormone treatments. All of them. And diabetics will make their own insulin. And all of the large groups of people living in infertile areas, sustained by deliveries of food, will organise a mass-relocation all on their own - without mass industry of course. And people wearing glasses will just all start their own local glass-blowing workshops AND get all the materials AND also all the work for the frames AND the precision mechanics used to make proper modern glasses. None of this constitutes work by the way."
Also trans people can just go back to the old days of getting DIY hormone treatments
Twitter AnPrim's forcing me, a transfem, to drink horse piss, because Estradiol is counter-revolutionary, civilizational decadence
"Producing complex medicine like insulin is actually tankie because supply chains are authoritarian.
☝️☝️☝️🤓🤓🤓"
Edit: Or an even better deranged idealist take that I have actually seen in the wild (/gen not trolling) "We need to liberate ourselves from the oppressive concept that is time"
Deceptichud was what convinced me to stop using my .world account. Only good thing he's ever done.
destroy mass industrial production.
Weird way to out yourself as someone who hates people wearing glasses, diabetics - or anyone else needing regular doses of medicine - handicapped people, clean running water, food safety, green energy as a viable option as the main power supply, any form of reliable international/national network of infrastructure that allows travel, and I don't know what else.
Also we're burdened by nuclear power plants. Any plan for the future must involve some way of making sure none of those turn into a Chernobyl. Not to mention all the other big scary factories you can't just shut off.
Weird way to out yourself as someone who hates people wearing glasses, diabetics - or anyone else needing regular doses of medicine - handicapped people, clean running water, food safety, green energy as a viable option as the main power supply, any form of reliable international/national network of infrastructure that allows travel, and I don’t know what else.
All of this is already secondary to the fact that on a planet of 8 billion+ people, the majority of us would die in a global famine. I won't really care about green energy or travel when I'm literally dying of starvation.
I somehow doubt that this user would consider it an issue though, It's moreso a feature. People with politics like this usually see "overpopulation" as a problem.
All of this is already secondary to the fact that on a planet of 8 billion+ people, the majority of us would die in a global famine. I won't really care about green energy or travel when I'm literally dying of starvation.
In this users imagination we live in some sort of utopia. With the incoming climate apocalypse a lot of this stuff will go away and we have to figure out what to do, but it's not because we deliberately decide to deindustrialise.
I won't really care about green energy or travel when I'm literally dying of starvation.
"Green energy" is also things like wind/watermills and so on. Things people use to go off the grid on their own. In the apocalyptic future those are the kinds of things you will care about, because they will let you power your community. They will also be difficult to obtain because making solar cells without mass industry is going to be tough as hell.
People with politics like this usually see "overpopulation" as a problem.
Twitter anarchists are just Malthusians with extra steps.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that alongside the things you listed as consequences of deindustrialisation, billions of people would also die from famine (which makes the other things look minor in comparison).
I didn't take it as disagreement! I thought you were comparing the issues that would come with "no mass industry" with another equal Armageddon.
I get what you mean, caring about asphalted roads while we're all starving to death is a bit "rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic". Then again the Khmer rouge kinda did that, I think, and they had some odd priorities too.
"First we should come for the communists, for we are not communists."
Still don't know if they mean no ml in no influence from the ml instance or lemmy, or no influence from Marxists
The correct answer is that they copy-pasted that from the sidebar for leftymemes (where it refers to people considered revisionists by the mod team, meaning no support for market socialism, etc.). So they don't actually know what they mean, because they didn't write it.
destroy economy
destroy work
destroy mass industrial production
Boy howdy, these are some ignorant motherfuckers
destroy work
Never mind leftist theory, these fucks are in serious need of some goddamned thermodynamic theory, holy shit
After my revolution, nobody will exert a force over a distance
Excuse me, your blood is pumping, which is literally fascism. Don't face the wall, moving is fascism too. I can't shoot you, that would involve a force being exerted over a distance to accelerate a bullet.
"Let's do primitivism"
"Hey, wait, why are the fascists in the neighboring country industrialized and I'm not?"
I've been told that gravity is an unjust hierarchy . . .
Abolish bed times
Destroy mass industrial production
ah, they are a "fuck diabetic people and others who need medicine" people
or the back to monke, let's just live like the amish people.
I wonder if they're a Kaczynski goober. Even as a degrowth guy, I wouldn't say to destroy mass industrial production. Nationalise all of it, put it under the control of trade unions, reduce production to meet needs while trying to direct surplus low-tech production to local artisans and co-ops. Solar panels and insulin aren't coming out of the backyard steel mills. Something about that phrasing stands out to me.
Regardless of morality, turning back the materialist forces of history is not possible. We cannot return to monke
People having life support systems is fascist, actually
I am not one of those "You can't have the advanced supply routes needed to produce the goods of the information age under an anarchist system" type of people. I can see it being possible. I do know that without industrial production people are gonna die.
These people give shame to anarchists the same way ACP give shame to MLs and I bet it is all downstream from some fed ops that dried up after the soviet collapse but just became self sustained.
I don't believe that the recent "Uyghur Molotov Ribbentrop Holodomor" is self-sustained/grassroots
With these types of "woke" ancap primitivists, always find out what their take is on age of consent laws
And have no doubt, they WILL have a take on age of consent laws
Destroy mass industrial production
Motherfucker's on that Pol Pot grind.
