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Is the argument here that "tankies are further away from power"? What?
Tankies, lacking money or power within this system are exceptionally unlikely to get invited to a lavish rape party organized by and for the elite of society. This isn't a measure of their morals or lack there of. When Tankies occupy the upper echelons of power in a country, they just as likely to engage in abuses like powerful people in most societies.
Isn't this claim born out to be false by the lack of a massive pedophile conspiracy in the Chinese government?
I'd imagine in a society like China with tight control of information and restrictions on criticism of government and officials, they're be many isolated incidents that would be swept under the rug like all scandals rather than warrant a specific conspiracy. But then it's hard to get a feel for where things are since the Chinese started using technology to clamp down on corruption by low level party officials.
Alright buddy, and I'd imagine that in a burger obsessed country like the United States everyone is secretly carrying 2-6 burgers on their person at all time in case of emergency. It's easy to just make up things.
I was eating 2 {burgers|veggie} when you were posting that, in fact
No, actually, that sounds about right.
There's an interesting assumption going on here.
You seem to believe that everyone wants to go to lavish rape parties, and the only thing stopping them is a lack of power.
Why is that?
Not at all. The meme we're commenting on specifically mentions Epstein Island and the lack of MLs there. I wasn't suggesting that most or all MLs would go if given the chance but you certainly wouldn't see zero.
Okay so then you think, within any given group, there's always going to be at least a few people that want to go to lavish rape parties.
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Not necessarily within small groups but within any given political movement. Law of averages; there's a few creepy rapey (usually but not exclusively) men in every large grouping of people.
So you don't think, maybe, some groups of men are more likely to be rapey than other groups? I suppose there's just an "average man" that exists independent of political affiliation or material conditions or social conditioning, and among that cohort are rapists.
I think, actually, some political movements are worse than others and more likely to be rapey. Radical, I know.
Sure. And in a given society, they gravitate to positions, lifestyles, and occupations that help them rape much like pedophiles are often drawn to teaching or being youth pastors.
People with a right wing outlook on life are, in my opinion, way more likely to be rapey.
Why do they lack power within this system?
Why do other leftists like Chomsky not lack power within this system?
Let's define "tankie" as a Marxist-Leninist who emphasizes a vanguard party that makes dictates for a whole country's economy, approves of the silencing of dissent, and excuses the practice of using force to keep an alliance together and ideologically coherent.
Wouldn't you think that such a person would naturally seek out positions of power, and have the guile and discipline to mask their intentions until they achieved those positions, so as to be more effective? Certainly it should be possible, 70 years after Joseph McCarthy, to imagine a ML making their way into a prominent position.
Also, where are the Jeffrey Epsteins of Cuba, Vietnam, and China? I left out the other two because Laos is underdocumented and North Korea is opaque. This should be easy for any serious anti-tankie to give examples of.
You've never heard of Joseph Stalin?
Well, Jeffrey Epstein was a blackmailer who used his Island to gather Kompromat on people. In that regard, the communist equivalent would be the KGB. If you mean in regards to using power to achieve sex, there were historically large numbers of corrupt lower party officials in China with mistresses' prior to reforms. If you mean specifically raping kids, then Mao Zedong was alleged to fuck 14 year olds.
You're losing track of your argument. No one was talking about the period from 1899-1953 (Stalin's activist era), we were talking about 1991-2018 (the time that Epstein was influential), or possibly as early as 1981 when the neoliberal era came into full swing. Whether tankies ever get into positions of power is not the question, it would be a rather stupid one. The question is why we see radlibs and neocons and fascists in the Epstein connections, but not tankies.
ImmortalInfo is saying that "tankies would otherwise be on the Epstein flight logs, but they were denied access to that level of power". I am saying that "a tankie is someone who is better than average at making their way into power", and therefore, anyone who claims that tankies are absent from any sampling of the elite class needs to explain why. There is a massive H~0~ that most of the people in these comments are referring to, and you'll need to be able to disprove it.
Don't lose your train of thought in your eagerness to pull out 8th-grade ideological mantras like "Stalin and Mao were bad" as circular arguments. The way to truth is critically examining what's there, and using your logic without feeling the need to tip the scales one way or another.
Are there Epstein-style procurement rings in ML-governed countries or aren't there? And what do you suppose is the mechanism for why tankies don't show up on the flight logs or in the emails, in light of my point of how they should be able to get into those circles if they wanted to?