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For people who might not be in the US and don't understand why this is a bad idea in the US and proportionately hurts poor people, proof of citizenship is usually a passport. A passport costs $130. You need supporting documents like your birth certificate, SSN, and a drivers license/state ID to get it. For your first passport you usually have to make an appointment to go somewhere authorized like a library, post office, or courthouse to apply, and then they send the application off and it can take weeks to months to get back, depending how backed up the processing agency is (and I'm sure there will be artificial delays during voting years if this passes). Also, they are passing laws limiting where you can go to apply, so now libraries and the post office are losing the ability to process passport applications, so people will have to go to the county courthouse, which could be a long drive from where they live, especially if you live in a rural area. For people who don't drive, or only have one car that is shared with another working adult, or use public transportation that has a limited range (or just doesn't exist in most of the US), or are disabled and can't travel far, this can be a huge problem.
Also, all these places are only open during normal business hours, so you probably have to take time off work to go apply. Federal minimum wage is only $7.25/hr while the living wage is actually much higher (living wage for 1 adult living alone in a 1 bedroom apartment where I live was considered almost $23/hr in 2024), and if someone is making minimum wage or close to it they almost certainly aren't getting paid time off, so now they have to come up with $130 for the fee and lose time off work.
While I don't think this should ever pass, I think a huge issue is we're too close to the election to be changing how voting works. People could vote in the primaries and then not have the documents to vote in the actual election. Something like this would need to be phased in over time, just think about how long Real IDs took to implement.
Also not that it matters anymore but the Supreme Court already ruled it unconstitutional a long time ago as it's a form of poll tax. Remember when Supreme Court decisions weren't just "whatever Trump wants today" and actually were based on the constitution? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
The current court regularly votes down Trump, tariffs are the most recent example.
The issue is the court is full of conservative assholes who care more about their feelings more than the law.
Don't get me wrong this is still a Trump caused problem, he appointed most of the new conservatives, but they still don't rubber stamp everything he does.
Here's the real problem: this law would require voters to identify themselves using a photo ID, and it has to be a specific kind of updated ID. Americans have been pushed over the last few years to convert their Driver's License to a "Real ID," which is a Divers License that has been verified with other documents, like a birth certificate or a passport.
If you are man, it is easy because presumably, you have had the same name since birth, so your Real ID Drivers License only requires your birth certificate.
But if you are a woman, and you are married, you probably changed your name to your husband's, so you need a marriage certificate to prove your name change. If you have been married and divorced, you may have to prove THAT name change with a birth certificate AND a marriage certificate AND divorce papers from the first marriage, then a marriage certificate from your second marriage. It can get complicated.
Then there is my wife's problem. As a man, I had no problem getting a Real ID, but my wife needed our marriage certificate. We were married in a Caribbean island over 30 years ago, and the marriage certificate has gone missing long ago. We have been requesting a replacement for over a decade, and have not been able to get one. It can't be done online, it has to be by mail. It is not too expensive, only about $10, but it's usually rejected for the wrong money. They always claim (when we hear any explanation at all) that we have sent the wrong form of payment, which they then keep. We've sent money orders, checks, cash, etc., and probably spent over $100, and still nothing.
So my wife can't get a Real ID because the country we got married in won't cooperate. I suspect our marriage license is lost, and they can't supply a copy. In any case, until we can get this straightened out, my wife has no valid ID, and can't vote under Trump's new law, and if she can't vote for this reason, there are many others on the same situation.
Could you get remarried at the courthouse? Or is that fraud?
We've considered that, but also the fraud angle. Does that mean that things like our mortgage would technically be bank fraud? It's not really an issue, unless the govt decides they don't like my politics, and need an excuse to incarcerate me. My wife is considering just paying for a legal name change in our state. That doesn't imply anything is wrong with the legality of the marriage, she's just making it legal for ID purposes.
Not all Real ID’s prove citizenship either. It varies state by state.
OTOH, if you have a passport, you can now leave the US easily...
Eh... Maybe. You could also end up like that group of Indian American citizen/green card holders who were arrested in O'Hare for being brown. Multiple had full documentation and passports.
It's curious why they would want to implement this because although it affects poor people, it would probably also disproportionately affect poor Republicans.
Many voters in states like Mississippi/Arkansas do not have passports because they are both poor and have no intention to travel internationally so don't bother with passports.
Because you won’t see it enforced in Mississippi or Arkansas, at least for white republicans. It will be selectively enforced to disenfranchise as needed.
If MAGA thought that it would be a disadvantage to their voter base, they would not be pushing for it.
I've heard poor voters are often swing voters, and possibly likely to swing against him
A passport card is only $30 (plus the $10 or so dollars for the required photo), but everything else in your post is spot on.
I always forget you can get just the card without the passport.
Even better, you can have the card expire off-cycle from the book. Since both last 10 years, if you renew one at the 5 year mark, it means you'll always have an active document that can get you to Canada or Mexico even while the other is in the renewal cycle.
I recently learned this after renewing both at the same time missing my opportunity. I'll renew the card early in 5 years or so to get this off-cycle expiry benefit.
I am not from the US, so I'm also mentally comparing with what happens in my country. Here, the place where you're registered to vote has a list of all voter names and birth dates. You get there to vote, show a form of valid ID (driver's license is a valid one), you can vote and you're crossed off the list so you can't vote twice. You don't need to prove citizenship directly because if you don't have the right to vote, you're not on the list.
How does it work in the US? Citizenship aside, how do you prove that you are who you say you are and don't e.g. wear a hat and fake moustache and vote 3 times? Honest question, I'm not judging, I'm genuinely trying to understand how things work today in the US.
That's a very hard question to answer because each state runs elections differently. In my state we just get our ballot by mail and you send that in with your signature. If you don't have an address there are polling places available, but it's been so long I'm not certain how they check ID.
In my state you can apply to get your ballot by mail, but you have to do that for every election (which reminds me, I need to send my application in for the next election). If you don't do that you can go in person to the voting location that is predetermined for you based on your address. They have a list of everyone who is registered as eligible to vote in person at that location. When you register to vote you get a voter ID card in the mail which is basically a little paper card with your name, county, and the location that you vote at. You just take your voter card with you to vote and they cross you off the list and give you your ballot to vote in person. If you already registered to vote by mail but you forgot to send your ballot in you can take your mail-in ballot to your in person location and they'll tear it up and let you vote in person.
For the most part - it works exactly like what you described. What kinds of ID are valid, and to some extent whether you are required to present one at all, depends on which state you live in.
The fake mustache double voter would have to know the details of another person who is already registered to vote (only some states allow same-day voter registration) and gambles on the other person not showing up to vote.
One big difference between the US and a lot of other democracies (when it comes to voting laws) is that the US doesn't have any form of universal national identification documents - pretty much everything is issued on a state-by-state basis, and with very few exceptions those state level IDs don't actually say anything about citizenship - noncitizen permanent residents are allowed to get driver's licenses.
Thank you for your answer!
But is there a register, somewhere that @gloog@fedia.io is a person that was born in Your-city/Your-state and is a US national? So, even if you don't need to show an ID to prove you are indeed gloog, can a gloog be in the registered voters list if they are not a US citizen?
I'm asking because I read from other posts that the process to get a passport or even a birth or marriage certificate seem to be relatively complex, while here you can basically download your marriage certificate online. But this relies on the fact that there are City and Nation-wide databases that have a record of a person with my name being born in X, a Y national, married with Z and father of W. So if I can prove my identity as andallthat, all these other things (including nationality) follow almost "for free", or at least more easily.
So I was wondering if the key difference might not be proving Citizenship per se, but the fact that records are not centralized and it's harder to go quickly from "I am this person" to "this person is a US National"?
There isn't one centralized database with that information for everyone. Each state, and even inside one state each county, maintains their own records, so someone who is born in Florida, gets married in California, and then has a kid born in Oregon would need to contact each of those states for proof of those events if they lost the original copies for whatever reason. There is a national system that can (mostly) check against those state and local level records, but it also has limitations. Passports and birth certificates can be proof of citizenship, but don't prove where you live at the time of the election even if you do have one on hand.
The voter registration process already gives the state enough information to determine whether an individual is eligible to vote in that state. For federal elections (which are still run by the states, just for federal level positions), that includes confirming that the person is a citizen, but each state is able to decide whether to allow noncitizen residents to vote on local government issues or not.