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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

That the reason imperial Europe had such a huge and lasting impact on the world was because Europe was playing on a harder difficulty than everyone else.

Europe was functionally foodless when it comes to agricultural with next to no edible plants native to the region, most of their crop foods were imported from Eurasia. Boar were as lethal as the wolves and the wolves besieged cities. The living conditions were functional perfect petri dishes that bred so many massive plagues that they accidentally biowarfared the Americas, they literally didn't consider the diseases they had as bad enough to leave those guys home. The history of constant warfare in Europe had them so invested in finding new ways to kill each other that they hit the iron age while the Americas were still in stone age despite being an older population.

In contrast, we're finding out that all the "wasted land" in the US used to be curated foraging gardens. Whole forests regularly maintained by the natives to provide food year round with minimal labor for an exponentially larger population. The great planes tribes maintained a migratory lifestyle that was far less work than the farming efforts we use now. Conflict was frequent, but never to the level that needed technological advancements like Europe.

So when Europeans finally got out of their squalid hell hole, anyone not on their level, which was really just china, was solidly out classed. What was india going to do? They were solidly in the bronze age and fighting an enemy that's very arival might kill villages with disease alone and they never had to fight an enemy that could host long distance supply lines over seas which meant a counter offense could only ever push them out of the area but never back to the source in a way that could prevent them coming back. Like trying to play volleyball but your opponents can be on both sides of the net and you can't. The Americas were even worse off, the Technological disparity made the fight entirely one sides.

Finally, Europe took this "git gud" mentality as proof that they were superior in every way, so they implemented their way of life everywhere they went. Those forage gardens were knocked over and burned to grow fields of low nutritional grains because that's what worked in Europe. The European diet was pushed everywhere despite the local diet being better in most cases. The European work ethic became the standard with no realization that it was born out of desperately struggling to survive and adaptation to any other location would have greatly improved their quality of life.

And all of it still lasts to this day. Half of the things we classify as weeds are edible foods that were dietary staples. Our work life balance, sleep schedule, housing styles, land distribution, hierarchy, are all descendant of feudalism. The whole reason for the midwest dust bowl was because they tried to force Europeans farming tactics into the region with no consideration for the difference between regions.

Of course, I'm not a historian. It's just a hunch. I'm a fan of history and it was an interesting comparison to see how closely the European exceptionalism mindset aligned with the souls like git gud attitude that a specific subset of gamers developed at the height of their popularity.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 hours ago

Between Europeans and the Americans, the Americans lacked pack animals and a region which could create bronze. Also, due to the European exposure to pack animals and other reasons, lethal diseases went mainly from Europeans to the Americans instead of the other way around. It also isn't a good sign when a foreign civilization has the technology to show up at your shores while your civilization doesn't.

Between Europe and the rest of the Old World, Europe wasn't able to colonize the rest of the old world until after the Industrial Revolution started. The Industrial Revolution started in Europe mainly due to increased state competition compared to other parts of the world and higher labor costs making capital investments worth it.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This was a fascinating read. As someone with a strong disdain for European ideals (love the socialism, hate how they got there) I was ready to raise my pitchfork at fhe start but this... this makes sense. Europeans have a scarcity mindset and when they came to places that didnt need that as much they turned into the seagulls from finding nemo. And as a result they decimated my people and millions of other peoples across the globe like mine who seemed to have shit better figured out socially.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, having been learning a lot about Indigenous cultures in the Americas lately, even European socialism can be seen as done the hard way. Most of the north American tribes had a culture of meeting the needs of everyone. Native Mexicans had a social welfare system that effectively made care for the young and infirm a community activity.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Who could've known that community resources actually benefitted the community? What a radical and crazy idea it would never work

/s

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

If there is a Best Of The Fediverse this should be right up there

[–] RaoulDuke85@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago