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Ukraine’s security service blew up a railway connection linking Russia to China, in a clandestine strike carried out deep into enemy territory, with pro-Kremlin media reporting that investigators have opened a criminal case into a “terrorist attack.”

The SBU set off several explosions inside the Severomuysky tunnel of the Baikal-Amur highway in Buryatia, located some 6,000 kilometers east of Ukraine, a senior Ukrainian official with direct knowledge of the operation told POLITICO.

“This is the only serious railway connection between the Russian Federation and China. And currently, this route, which Russia uses, including for military supplies, is paralyzed,” the official said.

Four explosive devices went off while a cargo train was moving inside the tunnel. “Now the (Russian) Federal Security Service is working on the spot, the railway workers are unsuccessfully trying to minimize the consequences of the SBU special operation,” the Ukrainian official added.

Ukraine’s security service has not publicly confirmed the attack. Russia has also so far not confirmed the sabotage.

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[-] totallynotaspy@kbin.social 354 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OP missed the fun bit after the tunnel bombing:

The first cargo train exploded directly in the Severomuysky tunnel.

To continue transportation, the Russians began to use the detour route through the so-called Devil’s Bridge — a 35-meter high viaduct structure, which is part of the Trans-Siberian Railway. At that point, SBU saboteurs struck again.

“When the train was passing over this 35-meter high bridge, the explosive devices embedded in it went off,” the same official added.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 157 points 1 year ago

Damn impressive.

Sounds straight out of a WWII action/spy/war movie.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'm sure plenty of similar things happened in every war ever.

[-] quindraco@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

What, even the ones predating locomotives?

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ha sorry, I didn't mean to imply scenarios involving locomotives. I referred more to the ingenuity of warriors to carry through clever attacks.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 123 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the details

Just to add, according to Denys Davidov's report on ukraine, the first train was carrying jet fuel, which added to the whole explosion.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Jet fuel can't blow up steel beams! Wake up sheeple!

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Jet fuel can’t blow up steel beams! Wake up sheeple!

Wasn't that the reason though that the Twin Towers in NY fell, because the jet fuel melted the steel beams infrastructure?

I had read/seen that the buildings were actually designed to handle a plane crashing into them, but the architects didn't expect the metal beams to melt from the high-temperature burning jet fuel.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that the beams were sprayed with a fire retardant foam that is designed to protect it in the event of a typical building fire. But the violent impact of the jets would have stripped most of it off, and the jet fuel did indeed weaken the beams. They wouldn’t have melted outright, but softening them after already being damaged by the impact was more than it could handle.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's my understanding as well.

And that the fire retardant foam was designed to be hit by an airplane and stay on, but it was just designed in those days for a smaller 737 impact, and not for a heavybody plane, so it got knocked off, exposing the beams.

Edit: Lol, ok, meant beams, not beans.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

exposing the beans.

Lemmy moment.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

This lemming eatin beans!

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dammit put a NSFW warning on that post!!!!

There could be children in here!!!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You guys are all government sheeple! Everyone knows the Twin Towers never existed and 9/11 was a hologram!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I stil remember going to a wedding reception on the top floor - it all seemed so real

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[-] shottymcb@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

It didn't need to melt, raising the temperature of steel decreases it's strength.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

it’s strength

It is, is it?

[-] Auduras@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It is strength that decreased

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

it's its strenth that decreased

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It's a conspiracy theory, and not a particularly intelligent one. Us normies like to make jokes like this mocking people who believe it, but they do actually believe it and will come up with some batshit insane logic to support their theories.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's a really dumb meme because obviously it can. The ancient Romans worked steel, so obviously it doesn't have a particularly high melting temperature.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. It doesn't burn nearly hot enough.

However, for a structure to fail you don't need to melt the beams, and getting them hot enough will also damage their structural integrity; they'll fail long before they reach the melting point.

And this is what happened on 9/11.

[-] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago

Even wood alone is capable of getting steel red hot under the right condition. Given my experience was with metal floor grating in a burn barrel. The steel became easily malleable with just a metal rod.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 8 points 1 year ago

At the temperature Jet Fuel burns at, Steel becomes as flexible as cooked noodles, but technically they have not "melted."

[-] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Also: worked metal heats up. So an entire building collapsing on hot beams can get them even hotter.

https://youtu.be/tXF60MOWUeY?si=V-j7IlmmMB3LOK9l

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[-] Cinner@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA

The conspiracy goes SO much deeper..... it's rumored that even physics is involved.

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[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Melted beams or not, the WTCs design is what made it collapse like a peeling banana. The floors were essentially cantilevered out and held in place with a load bearing facade (for an open floor concept) There wasn't much holding the floors onto the facade, once the weight of the floors began to sag down it essentially started to lever and pull the beams of the central core apart from all sides like a banana peel.

I don't think those buildings were built to withstand an airplane, at least not the one they were hit by. In hindsight that open floor concept may actually have been a stupid idea, at least the way it was executed.

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[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I love how they drew the Sheeple in a completely different artstyle for emphasis.

[-] juliorapido@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

COLD FIRE! I’M FREEZING!!! ( said the steel beams)

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Russia is shooting its own foot since the start of the war... an inside job sounds plausible at this point (kidding)

[-] Restaldt@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Of course Russia is shooting itsself. I bet if it could throw itsself out a window it would.

How dare Russia make Russia look so weak

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

If it had been an inside job the explosives wouldn't have gone off.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So they got two of three and not one of three? How is every article writer flubbing the headlines?!

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

The magic of AI and staff cuts.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

I'm also uncomfortable with giving the SBU credit for an event that negatively impacts not only Russia but also China, which is not currently at war with Ukraine. SBU haven't taken credit for this, a Ukrainian Official is making those claims.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If the infrastructure, and trains were russian its fair game.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes I'm absolutely happy this is happening, fuck both of those nations, Ukraine Sovereignity will be respected and both Putin and Xi will learn a harsh lesson, but if the SBU doesn't take credit then it's better that the SBU haven't officially done this.

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