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Freedom of speech with US characteristics
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this post was submitted on 18 Jan 2024
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Turns out Russia is the real free speech haven. Snowden isn't the only American who went to Russia to escape political persecution...
In all seriousness, Snowden didn't go to Russia. He was on his way to South America (probably Bolivia, Ecuador, or Venezuela) when his passport got cancelled and he got stuck in Rudsia. The EU even grounded Morales' presidential plane thinking Snowden was in it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident
It’s so dumb that we can’t just like… go places
Oh, no no no, you can’t cross the invisible line without your little stamperino
It's wild to think that about 100 years ago is when passports started being a thing.
Yes, but both internal and external travel restrictions are as old as the states themselves.
Ah yes, remind me what happened almost 100 years ago
Photographs and WWI, basically. It's a bit hard to identify people with just written descriptions, and the war gave a reason to discriminate against certain groups for "spying" or whatever.
What makes it even more fucked up is that in a lot of cases border control was created to turn back jewish people who were fleeing the nazis.
And it's lucky that he did. If Julian Assange had gotten stuck in Russia too instead of trusting the Ecuadorian embassy to protect him he would be a free man today.
Idk... I would ask Navalni what he thinks.
EDIT: People I didn't say he is a saint or a good guy, just putting an example of a guy I know famous enough that criticized Putin or just for being it's opposition and getting punished for it. Not saying he didn't do other stuff....
Sur ether are other examples, for example recently people criticing the war but they are not famous examples....
Navalni is literally a comically evil Putin, all his positions are identical to Putin just even more nationalistic. You know nothing about him. He is essentially a Neo Nazi.
Im not a Russian domestic politics expert by a long shot but from what i see, a lot of these people liberals joke about "getting pushed out the window" seem worse than Putin
(Although i would like to hear what Russian communists say about that)
As a resident Belarusian comrade (close enough I guess), that is basically almost always the case. They always chose some absolute ghoul, and because westerners don’t know the language or care enough to check the policies, no one double checks what those ghouls are saying.
In the example of Navalni, he is an ethnonationalist and “national purist”. He is literal scum. If Putin is reactionary, Navalni is a fascist.
Why was he popular? He watched Rick and Morty on Reddit. I shit you not.
Maybe your common internet commentator does not check. But the western intelligence agencies check. They want someone like him in power in Russia over Putin. For 1) they'd own him, clearly they've done a lot for him and he would likely work with them, for 2) because he is a Nazi and ethnonationalist he would do for them what they've long sought to do which is break up Russia into smaller manageable ethnic chunks they can color revolution and control, his policies would drive and allow their intelligence agencies to further instigate into independence movements or at least long-burning terrorism that bogs down the state these tensions he'd create with the many ethnic groups in Russia. He's perfect for their aims. His views perfect.
I agree, but for clarification in my original comment I was referring to common everyday people. Not governments or intelligence agencies.
not asking the guy who called immigrants "cockroaches" anything
yeah go ask a neonazi mi6 asset lol
Navalni is washed, he fell off. Guaido is the real rival to Putin.
:heart_eyes: the people's president!
Navalny is a convicted criminal.
Sure but criticing Putin for sure was part of it. I am not saying he is a saint.
Well yeah... It's the only guy I know famous enough to being criticing Putin getting punished for it. Not saying he is a saint or whatever or that he didn't do other stuff I don't know the guy enough for that, but that the main reason is criticing Puting sure. Sure enough there might be other people detained for criticing Putin, specially recently about the war but I don't know know them.
The U.K. arrested almost 10 times as many people for social media posts as Russia did last year. Now maybe we could say they should be arresting more fuckers like Navalny. Haha
Well yeah... But most don't get years on prison that's for sure and much better and humane prisions for sure.
In any case yeah the UK is pretty shitty as well on that I agree, specially on the late governments.
They're not locking people up for being communists, unlike post-2014 Ukraine (locking up is putting it mildly they are torturing people to death openly on Telegram). Here in the US people are getting harassed by the FBI for being Chinese. They should be going and shutting down the people spreading hate speech here, but they're into it.
Source: I made it the fuck up
Well yeah, I don't think I need one, it's pretty common knowledge. Yeah they are not Switzerland prisons either not gonna says the stay will be awesome, and tbh it shouldn't be for some motherfuckers...
If only I could think of a high profile example of a journalist imprisoned in cruel and unusual circumstances in the UK to contradict your "common knowledge".
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Can you think of anyone off the top of your head? One last chance.
I will be honest not sure, Assange? In any case I was talking about the prisons in general no specific individuals.
So why doesn't Assange count? "Oh it's fine, he's just an unusual political prisoner, they wouldn't treat ordinary people like me that way."
Yet they haul in random TikTokers now. 3000 mfs arrested over politically incorrect likes and shares calling for an end to war.
So, why doesn't that go for Navalny? The guy talking about going school shooter on fellow citizens? Why is his treatment assumed to be the same as the 400 other people arrested in the whole country?
Assange literally worked with The Guardian and WAPO etcetera to protect NATO intelligence agents and they betrayed him anyways.
Man this thread was about the prisons not Navalni, it has been a while we stopped talking about him.
Yes Assange is another example of lack of freedom of speech. But the idea was an example of Russia on the original comment, which again down here we stopped talking about.
Russia is an especially bad excuse for anything we do. We ripped up the USSR to create the decaying state which had to be rescued by the current clique of resource nationalists who aren't willing to just let the country collapse completely (those people are not politically aligned with me btw, i root for a different Russian opposition, the communists).
Our media has spun the Russians up into this ludicrous imperialist threat that interferes with our elections meanwhile the Zionists openly make addresses to Congress, Turkish politicians and charter school billionaires are using our fucking government for infighting. We literally have SLAVERY in our prisons
Russia is a peripheral country (lower on the NIKE shoe company supply chain, to make this easy to understand) a common insult in 2017 was that Texas had the same GDP (not that includes debts and rents, the backbone of the US economy, which is why in light of this their nationalized industries are a threat to us (especially military), GDP is inflated and stupid.
Just gonna give you a serious reply since maybe you're just genuinely surprised or uninformed. We don't believe there's "true" "free speech" anywhere in this world today, because the concept itself is entirely fictional, while you're taking us being facetious as us advocating for Russia being a "free speech haven".
Thanks for your reply, that helped.
Nazivalni?
Liberals and Fascists - name a better duo
Duo?
Uno
I get what you are saying and I think it is important for people to remember that Russia is not Cuba or Vietnam or even China, and if they could get something out of surrendering people like Snowden, they would.