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[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 76 points 1 year ago

oh look, another web service who wants to strangle its users for money and ad views :D when's a peertube instance going to get some big creators on it supported by viewers? that'll do it, i bet

[-] poop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago

Seems unlikely that a creator would jump ship from a platform that pays them to a platform that doesn’t. That being said, lots of creators also constantly complain about demonetization, so maybe they’ll start to get fed up and move to purely in-video sponsorship things. Seems most likely from a creator that’s already on a platform like nebula

[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 5 points 1 year ago

Most big youtubers have in-video ads now anyways. I'm not sure what the ratio of their revenue comes from youtube ads vs in-video ads, but youtube seems pretty trigger happy about demonetizing videos. Sometimes entire channels. If someone gets the majority of their revenue from other sources than youtube ads, I could see them migrating to something like peertube.

Even with in-video ads, those must be paid based on historical (or actual?) view counts right? No matter how big you are, there's no way you're going to maintain view counts when switching away from YouTube.

[-] poop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're allowed to upload the same .mp4 file to multiple websites. There's absolutely no reason why a creator that isn't getting YouTube ad money couldn't upload to YouTube and PeerTube at the same time. Presumably if they're getting YouTube monetization, they have some kind of exclusivity agreement.

[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 1 points 1 year ago

That is quite true.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

you're definitely right on most points. but, to your point, if a creator was on a federated instance of peertube then they don't have to worry about the wishy-washy, everchanging rules of youtube :3

I could see someone making some fork of peertube that helps creators get paid. May not be free but could get creators willing to join

[-] poop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

if it's not free what's the benefit of using PeerTube? You're basically describing nebula

[-] withersailor@aussie.zone 16 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately most people post to YouTube. They might not know about Peertube. So Peertube just doesn't have the content.

[-] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Here's to hoping as lemmy, mastodon, etc. get name recognition peertube gets their time of day too.

[-] eric5949@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

How does peertube work exactly? Because if it hosts the video on just the one "instance" or server or whatever a viral video will almost certainly have it's legs cut from under it very quickly. Don't get me wrong I want YouTube to have viable competition but videos are huge.

[-] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

You basically get how it works. The tech isn’t there yet to replace YouTube.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

From the documentation:

A PeerTube instance can mirror other PeerTube videos to improve bandwidth use.

The instance administrator can choose between multiple redundancy strategies (cache trending videos or recently uploaded videos etc.), set their maximum size and the minimum duplication lifetime. Then, they choose the instances they want to cache in Manage follows -> Following admin table.

Videos are kept in the cache for at least min_lifetime, and then evicted when the cache is full.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Hopefully once the issue of the ridiculous amount of resources needed for such a service is resolved. This is why we don't have any viable youtube alternative yet, especially one that isn't a corporate pile of junk. Once you get to a certain size if you don't rake in the cash you shut down. So hopefully peer to peer saves the day.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 12 points 1 year ago

yup, even youtube isn't profitable. Video remains one of the largest sinks of resources. A 4K movie is stored on a disc of about 66GB, so about 30GB per hour of 4k video. Even with peertube it'd take the best hobbyists to run even a modest server for a few streamers. We're talking people with PB level of storage capacities now with fiber lines to their house to truly host peertube alternatives, and if we're talking cloud we're talking thousands per month.

It's not impossible, I don't want to get people down, but that's the major hurdle

[-] Xuerian@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Which makes me wonder - was the push for 60fps across the platform a move to make competition harder?

I'm not aware of anyone that was using it as a leg up on them.

[-] zrvcx@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Every video maker should host his own peertube instance with only 1 user.

yeah but then we get a youtube esque site of nerds who love hoarding hard drives and setting up selfhosted services. Which is great, I did that, but the vast majority of youtubers don't have the knowledge/don't want to set that up

this is true. having said that - i follow a peertube-based french outfit called blast (can't speak french, just look at the pictures). if i go to a different site (peertube.stream, liberta.vip) and look at a video, the streams are coming off video.blast-info.fr.

there's no question video is a huge resource suck, and that nobody would want to host a lot of other people's videos. i just wonder, if the model is federated indexes but owner-hosted video, i wonder if there's a use case that can work at scale.

I do like the idea of having individuals host their own channels, but the bar for entry needs to become incredibly simple. Granted kids can spin up minecraft servers now, so at least that easy for online hosting. Self hosting is a bit more arduous for sure, but if people can host their own plex servers then I'd expect most video creators to be able to run peer tube - when it gets that easy.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago

hopefully 💙 video codecs have gotten pretty good, and maybe they'll get even better to where, like you're saying, we don't have to shovel so many resources into hosting something like a peertube. crossing fingers 🤞

[-] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I subscribe to nebula for this reason, directly support creators and it's very reasonably priced.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 3 points 1 year ago

never heard of nebula, thank you for bringing it up :D

[-] pbkoden@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I've found Nebula to be great for a few creators I follow, but the amount of content isn't high enough to wean me off of YouTube completely.

[-] mustyOrange@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Did they ever get around to implementing playlists and autoplay of some sort? I really wanted to get into that service, but the absence of those two things just killed it for me

[-] loops@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've had good experiences with Odysee. Not as much content yet, and it's missing DIY videos, but I don't see problems yet.

[-] lemmymarud@lemmy.marud.fr 2 points 1 year ago

Odysee lacks of moderation. It's full of conspiration bullshit, racist videos and horrible stuff.

[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 3 points 1 year ago

How is peertube in terms of hosting costs? I would assume much higher than lemmy or mastodon considering it's all video content.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

hosting cost for peertube would probably be astronomical since you're likely hosting the videos yourself :/ unless there is some sort of federation that kind of works like bittorrent. that would be awesome

[-] wade@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

I'm confused about this take. YouTube clearly has hosting costs and also pays creators. That money has to come from somewhere. They offer two options, ads or subscription. You could argue that the number of ads is too many or the cost of the subscription is too high, but demanding a service be free just because it's technologically possible to block ads seems weird.

[-] lemmymarud@lemmy.marud.fr 2 points 1 year ago

Peertube will unfortunately never be an answer because of the lack of way for creators to get paid for watchtime

[-] minimar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I disagree with this, I fully believe a donation-funded content economy can work.

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