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[–] confusedwiseman@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It seems like we've all lost the plot. We'd probably be willing to view ads if the experience wasn't literally jarring. Try browsing for a day on a plain-no-extension browser. If you use other web enhancement tools kill those too. Straight-up internet is cancer, especially on mobile.

It's impossible to read a 250-word article without being interrupted 5-7 times. Two of those interruptions are likely a full page overlay with give me your email, and are you sure you don't want to subscribe, just give me your credit card number.

Then there are auto-play videos on the side, some with audio on by default. I mean I came here to read something, so of course we have things flashing and moving and making noise, it's the most conducive environment for thought, right?

Ad blockers and script blocking are essentially a hazmat suit that allows us to withstand a hostile environment. Remember when we said myspace pages with audio and [marching-ants] borders was a bad UX? At least we didn't have overlays back then.

Go back to basics and consider what makes a good vs bad internet experience. The reality sounds like someone with a minor case of severe brain damage. I think we've just become unashamed of greed as a society. It's clearly all just about money.

Those annoying customers/users generate content and we have to put up with them so we can monetize it. *Sadly, It's unclear if I'm talking about youtube, reddit, or nearly any other site.

Le sigh.

[–] StrayCatFrump@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We’d probably be willing to view ads if the experience wasn’t literally jarring.

Not me, sorry. Fuck ads. I've been ad-free for like a decade, and I'm not interested in regressing.

[–] confusedwiseman@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Even if there was a balance and the ads were non-intrusive? I mean, servers and bandwidth cost money. I'm in the same boat as you where I have run ad blockers, adblocker blockers, no script, privacy enhancers, and anti-fingerprinting since forever ago.

I'd rather view a few reasonable ads than have a site try to mine and sell my data. If there was a balance, this is where I'd say it was reasonable. Since not reality, I'm with you, nuke them all, and just take the content.

[–] longshaden@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The definition of "reasonable ads" and "just a few ads" keeps sliding. I'm old enough to remember the early internet, and that this lie has been told many times.

Just a few acceptable ads always becomes many unacceptable ads, because money.

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[–] Mavapu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

I fully agree. Online ads used to be some banners next to the content you came to the site for. I was fine with that. As soon as they put it in front/in between/.. the content, I very quickly got fed up with it.

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[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I imagine folks wouldn't have a problem with this if the ads weren't already so aggressive. Numerous ads before and during the content break it up too much. And if the content is extremely short form, it completely ruins the experience.

The number of ads and their length should be proportional to the length of the video. And any creator doing built-in ads should also not be able to inject a bunch of other ads. Burying content is an easy way to get avoided.

Print media had limits for advertisements, heck, in magazines they were premium real estate for the finest graphic designers to put together incredible imagery to get your attention. This level of care (not necessarily images or what have you) has yet to translate to the web.

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[–] Lengsel@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

FreeTube, Invidious, or Rumble.

[–] brad@toad.work 2 points 2 years ago

"Youtube considering incentivizing piracy"

[–] poorsocialskills@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I test not using YouTube.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Let's do the Peertube migration.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

If I have to start paying to watch videos, I’ll probably just jump over to Nebula or something.

[–] chaorace 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children)

I'll say something unexpected: I pay for YouTube. With money! Why?

  • I use it every day and I'm a human who likes boosting the things that I enjoy
  • I think YouTube's content recommendations are a genuine value-add and not easily replaced
  • A cut of my subscription fee goes directly back to the video creators that I watch
  • The "premium" encoding levels are actually a substantial improvement to video bitrates
    • Important: the premium bitrate is higher than anything previously offered and probably would not have been otherwise practical to serve for free

So yeah. I personally like YouTube enough to pay for it and I have the financial means to do so. Am I a clown for expressing personal appreciation towards a faceless megacorp? Yes. Yes I am. Constantly trying to win at every transaction in life is a drag though, so I think I'll continue to enjoy getting swindled.

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[–] dr0037@infosec.pub 1 points 2 years ago

While we are saying "fuck reddit", let's say "fuck you too YT". Fucking malware machine.

[–] chriskoss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Youtube ads are such garbage. Everyone talks about how google is 'the most advanced advertiser' - well google, you really can't figure out that playing the same ad for me 4 times in a 30 minute period is just going to make me hate both you and the advertiser?

If any state banned advertising entirely, I'd strongly consider moving there.

[–] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Not to mention the scams. I have tinnitus, and google knows that, so I get snake oil tinnitus ads all the time.

Seriously, if someone cures that, they won’t need to be advertising on YouTube.

[–] jamesravey@lemmy.nopro.be 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow the enshittification is at full throttle across silicon valley! Guess those investors gotta get those returns now that interest rates are spiking!

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[–] kool_newt@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (14 children)

That's funny, I'm testing YouTube alternatives.

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[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they really block adblockers, I will subscribe. To Nebula. It's got everything I want, adfree (including sponsored segments), extra content and is cheaper. And the content creators get a bigger share of the money.

[–] nodiet@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

There is nothing stopping you from subscribing to nebula right now. Since I haven't gotten any ads on YouTube in many years and even use sponsorblock to skip those annoying video segments I started thinking about how I am basically leeching off of most content creators. Subscribing to nebula was a no-brainer. It's about $4.16 per month on the yearly plan and lets me support all content creators I watch on there at once rather than subscribing to each and every one of them on patreon and I still don't see any ads

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[–] basuramannen@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So soon we will need an adblocker blocker blocker to use YouTube?

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[–] lemba@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Try YT subscription from Argentina...😎

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[–] Aurix@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I never thought YouTube's business model was very sustainable. As the world economy goes down, so does the value of ads. Creators or consumers need to pay up for all the bandwidth and storage. The question is about what is a reasonable price. Are low tiers for $3/mo. possible along with premium 4k options or does everything need to be at more than that?

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[–] Starya68@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

If I wanted to watch 15 minutes of ads in a 45 minute video, I'd just get cable. I'm happy to watch 1 or 2 ads before a video. That's it. So I use an app that can even remove promotions.

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