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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[–] wesker 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll be real: I don't want to go back. I want a return to actual communities and comradery, and an exodus from "social" influencers, on ad-riddled and bloated soap boxes.

[–] rgb_leds_are_love@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Bingo. That's me too.

I never realized just how tired I was of social media until Reddit blew themselves up. I had already quit Zucc's armoury of social media tools a few years ago. I'll be glad if I don't ever have to go back.

[–] WindowLicker@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

if reddit becomes federated I'll consider subscribing

[–] mobiuscoffee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

I think many people were looking for a reason to leave but kind of felt stuck seeing all the alternatives being either dead or abrasive.

Lemmy seems to have captured the soul of what a significant portion of people have already been looking for.

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have to agree with you on that I saw a comment earlier about the people who left Reddit being a loud minority but something feels off about that

Lemmy's community feels so familiar I sadly just can't find the right words to describe it though

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This describes me perfectly. Most of the alternatives I saw previously just ended up being coopted by the alt-right crowd who got chased off of Reddit. Lemmy (so far) represents what I want from an online community.

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Its so weird that the alt right hasn't tried to seize Lemmy yet from my experience it was always the immediate fate of Reddit alts in curious if the alt right is too busy over at truth social (or rumble) oh could we please get a youtube alt next that would be so great

[–] JohnDumpling@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Peertube is a good federated alternative to Youtube, it also connects to the Fediverse and there is a central search engine called Sepia Search, which makes it easier to find content on the different instances.

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[–] stoicandanxious@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

They are out there... I was doing some exploring of instances the other day. If you look at what instances are blocking it's pretty easy to see what is out in the fediverse.

[–] LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You want to know why the alt right haven’t seized this place and won’t? It’s in the name. The fediverse. We’re all a bunch of feds!

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Ah shit I didn't know we were patriot front

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[–] preston@possumpat.io 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The structure of the fediverse (lemmy/kbin/mastodon etc) makes it really difficult for alt-right and troll instances to find a meaningful presence.

Truth Social for example is just a mastodon instance, but everyone immediately defederated (blocked) them, so they have no reach. Hateful ideologies want a large audience on which to inflict their bullshit, and the federated model makes it really easy to cut them off.

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[–] imperator@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Let's hope it stays that way and grows!

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[–] followthewhiterabbit@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I'm done.

The subs I moderated have either gone dark, or are going dark in the next ciuple days.

And with that I let the mod teams I was a part of know that I am moving on. I hate what reddit did to the community, and my time feels better spent where it will be appreciated.

[–] dust4ngel@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

i kind of want reddit to die now. people talking to one another shouldn’t be monetized or debased through some spyware algorithm run by antisocial dickheads.

[–] shadowintheday@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

At this point, it's only going to get worse. It's a very large Venture Capital backed company, on track to IPO.

Large VC/public companies goals will follow more of what we see with "mainstream" sites and social media. It'd be against their goals and their business to have less ads, less agorithms showing what their partners want to see and not what the user wants to see, less bloat on their front end. Even if the CEO wanted to go that way, he'd quickly be replaced.

It's a self sustaining movement of capital now and users are annoyances that they have to deal to achieve their goals.

I'll be honest, I started using redding decade ago because most forums were very niche, specific, with weird to follow rules, very low on users, and reddit seemed to always have a community for each topic I had an interest on. It still does, but the end is approaching fast, and I don't want to search Discord servers, social media videos, or even ancient methods that are alternatives like IRC servers, mailing lists ; search results are useless in Google due to SEO and already affect other search engines

It all comes up to finding one or more sites that don't look ancient or too mobile focused, and if enough people are going to use it and stick to it. Otherwise it'll just be another corner of the web filled with a few crazy users

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I never considered going back. Lemmy is forward. More power to the users and the community and less from greedy shareholders. This is the way.

[–] wxboss@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit is not what it ought to be. It's overwhelming toxic environment just ruins what could have been a great forum. But it is what it is and for that reason, I'm out.

Going back at this point would be like returning to an abusive partner and thinking that the relationship could actually be better this time.

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[–] silentTeee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone who really only went on Reddit for memes and techie discussions, I think I can say this: for my use-case, there was nothing special about Reddit itself. In fact, one thing I have realized is just how little the nature of the host matters beyond ease of use. Sure, certain formats lend themselves better to certain use-cases, but ultimately humans are social creatures, and even in the most inconvenient of circumstances, we find a way to make it work.

And once you realize that, it becomes less about the medium, and more about the people who lead the discourse. From what I can gather, Reddit lost that discourse a long time ago. And as such, their downfall was only a matter of time.

[–] cstine@lemmy.uncomfortable.business 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Funny, I was just having that discussion with someone.

I think the problem is all these platforms think the platform is the value and not the content made by the users.

And of course, since they have the best platform, it'd be inconceivable that anyone would ever leave because they're the best.

Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, and Twitch are all doing exactly the 'value is the platform' while taking a massive shit on the creators and users that made the platform have any value in the first place, then acting confused why people are angry about how they're behaving.

No actual human gives a crap about the platform: nobody goes to these sites to go to the site, they go there for the content from someone they like.

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[–] Melody@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
  • 100% backpedal on all controversial changes announced within the previous 6 months; including any changes announced at the same time as said controversial changes.
  • Form a task force of admins and developers to backport all; critical moderation tools and changes introduced since the new.reddit launch; to old.reddit. (Complete this task within 1-2 years.)
  • Irrevocably Hard remove with no severance /u/spez from his CEO position and any position of power at reddit.
  • Hire a new CEO from the pool of the community team(s).
  • Cease all Dickery at once
  • CANCEL THE IPO!!!!! This shit needs to wait until reddit gets it's act together.
  • Prioritize hiring humans to run reddit AEO; choose them from your MASSIVE FUCKING POOL OF SUBREDDIT MODERATORS! DO NOT USE AI OR HIRE ANYONE WHO HASN'T MANAGED AT LEAST 25K USER SUBS
  • Ban all forms of facism; this is including forms of EXTREME viewpoints that grossly exceed reasonable discourse, peaceful free speech, advocate for extremist governmental regulation, violence or oppression of any kind against any group or subset of people.
  • fuck /u/spez - Just make sure he never gets a C-Level job again please.
  • continue to build reddit out in a way that allows for fair and ethically priced services from reddit (Ads, unlimited API access, rev sharing, premium features that are cosmetic items only, etc)
  • Pick up the same "Do No Evil" ethos that Google abandoned; prioritize your users and revenue equally and balance the obligations better.
[–] lodion@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

That about covers it. If all those were to occur, I'd go back. But realistically, none of them will happen.

[–] kethali@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

At this point - nothing. I've been less and less happy with that place lately, and this is just the final push. Hopefully I'll find a lot of the same things either here, or somewhere else, or just not at all I guess.

[–] pumpkin@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nothing. I don't like how they treat their users and I dont trust them. It's not like they were great and this came from nowhere. Reddit has been getting progressively worse for a long time.

fortunately, we have alternatives and don't need reddit.

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[–] RoaringSilence@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Speaking of me, nothing. I erased my history, deleted my account.

Reddit should go his path chosen, don't hold back travelers.

[–] circuitsunfish@plesiosaur.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is Imgur at risk of being lost? (I sadly only got on imgur for like a week and didn't understand it)

[–] circuitsunfish@plesiosaur.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Arystique Imgur is deleting anonymously uploaded photos to save costs. that is .... most of them

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Oh no that sucks a lot of memories are on there didn't ICANHASCHEESEBURGER get its images from Imgur?

[–] casey@lemmy.wiuf.net 0 points 2 years ago

I absolutely loved reading wholesome content like this. That's a great idea! We should collectively work together to shape how we want our future year to be!

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think they've made it clear that even if they backpedal now, they're just testing the waters to see how much bullshit they can get away with and they're going to do the absolute most they can... Even if they completely took a 180 and said they were keeping the API entirely free, I'd still be gone.

I always found it hard to engage with larger Reddit communities anyway; Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole are much closer to what I wanted from Reddit but couldn't get, so I'm here to stay no matter what happens. Fuck them.

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[–] palimpsest@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Apologise to Christian for the slander. And that’s just to start.
No point listing the other requirements since the first one will not be met anyway. The most we will get it “I’m sorry Christian felt that way”.

[–] crossmr@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They need to fix everything. I can barely report anything on the site without being banned for it. The admin come around later and fix it and apology, but because that's happened so many times, safety's first response is permanent ban which means I have to use an alt to contact them and get them to fix it. Despite the fact that they told me several times all the suspensions and warnings would be removed, they aren't. I reported something for being a duplicate a couple weeks ago (it was there was another copy on the front page of the sub, and it was one of their report reasons) and came back an hour later to both a permanent ban notice for 'report abuse' for that, and also the fact that my account wasn't actually banned because someone had come through and unbanned me. The site is bordering on being beyond repair at this point.

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oof that reminds me of youtube and their nightmare of a copyright claim system

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[–] Starfish@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

open the source code and become part of the fediverse. reddit is stuck in the past

[–] Subito@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing.... I just used Reddit for r/nosleep. I'll live without it. It's permanently erased any goodwill it had with me.

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