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Outrage in Seattle after ‘raids’ of several gay bars citing ‘lewd conduct’ laws (www.advocate.com)
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[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

OKAY, time for some clarification as a Seattle local:

  • This was NOT an isolated incident. The Cuff Complex, which was one of the bars that got raided, had been raided so many times in the past the owner had to put up a sign warning customers not to wear jockstraps because of the heavy enforcement (which ironically caused him to lose even more business because everyone was pissed at the owner for "policing bodies")

  • Gay bars were being targeted disproportionately to straight bars. Remember, there are a LOT more straight bars than gay bars. Raiding 4 gay bars covers a sizable chunk of all the gay bars in Seattle, but raiding 14 straight barsis a relative drop in the bucket.

  • A gay cabaret club owner crunched the numbers and found his establishment was raided 1,550% more than the average liquor licensee. The owner of the Cuff also owns another gay bar and a regular straight bar. His two gay bars are frequently raided, while the straight bar has NEVER been raided.

  • The board that enforces liquor laws is the LCB. Two funny facts: First, the rule against lewd conduct was created by... The LCB, not the state legislature. Second, the LCB stands for the Liquor and Cannabis board, which means that they are already ignoring a law when it suits their purpose (the federal prohibition against cannabis).

  • Finally, after the gay community collectively tore the LCB a new asshole during a board meeting earlier this week, the LCB reversed course and basically said "ah shit we fucked up" and is suspending enforcement of its lewd conduct rules. I strongly recommend this Mastodon thread from someone who attended the meeting, it's truly a thing of glory and demonstrates just how close the LCB was to getting slapped with a discrimination lawsuit: https://partyon.xyz/@nullagent/111851872885551640

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The lewd conduct violations in question were related to clothing that exposed the buttocks and nipples of patrons, which is prohibited under state law in liquor establishments, he said, noting that, in his opinion, the law needed to change to be a reflection of today’s times.

Absolute horseshit. According to the Supreme Court, the pigs have no duty to uphold law, enforce court orders, or protect citizens. We've seen plenty refuse to enforce gun regulations and COVID restrictions recently. Don't ever believe them when they say they can't pick and choose what to enforce.

Castle Rock v. Gonzales

Warren v. District of Columbia

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Don’t ever believe them when they say they can’t pick and choose what to enforce.

Man the Supreme Court fucked up with that one. If the Executive branch can pick and choose that means it is taking on the duties of the other branches. Which breaks the entire concept of Checks and Balances. Who the hell wants that? Judges issue arrest warrants and cops are like "nah", legislation changes the law and law enforcement vetos it.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wow, 60 years on and they're still raiding gay bars. Can't express how profoundly depressing that is.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How's about investigating straight bars where dudes drug girls by sneaking GHB on their drinks or spend the night sexuality harassing and touching girls without their consent?

No, they gotta go after the assless chaps.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Show me chaps that aren't assless.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly. Assful chaps are just pants.

[–] 52fighters@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we do both? Lewd behavior doesn't belong in public.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A bar is a private establishment.

If they do it in the bushes in a public park, that's a different story.

[–] 52fighters@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Some bars are private establishments. Those bars require memberships. The rest are public non-governmental establishments. These are open to the general public. Lewd behavior does not belong in any public establishment. If you want that type of environment, make it a membership only establishment.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

i feel like this has happened more than a few times in seattle in recent years.

Yall good?

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The police are an occupying force everywhere in the US, they make it painfully obvious in Seattle. For example in 2020 a police vehicle cruised slowly through my neighborhood blasting the COPS theme "Bad Boys". Not as bad as murder or brutality obviously but I think it helps illustrate their average behavior.

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, in fact 😔

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

damn, best wishes, get better soon :)

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I expect to see this shit go down somewhere like Alabama or my home state of Tennessee or even Utah but Seattle? I thought Seattle was one of these "progressive" cities. What the fuck is going on?

[–] aDuckk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

City cops don't live near the people they police.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stonewall season?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keep your bricks handy. When Trump wins reelection in November, we're all going to need them.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doomerism breeds apathy. Get your bricks ready just in case, but don’t forget to vote

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Voting's not going to matter now.

We elected a Democratic Congress and president and abortion was still criminalized. Their only response to it was to raise money. (A cool $80,000,000 to be precise.)

The only difference between these two groups of legislators is that one will stab you in the front while the other stabs you in the back. They're both getting richer no matter who wins.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but who exactly is in control of the House and stonewalls any sort of progress before it could ever reach the Senate or Biden? Here's a hint: it's not the Democrats. Get your voter apathy nonsense outta here, people who think like you do are why the Republicans are able to win and do so much damage.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, the Republicans win because we give Democrats power and still get conservative outcomes regardless.

In half of the states it's still legal to pay someone seven bucks an hour. A single unexpected $400 expense will drive 30-40 million Americans to take on more debt. An unexpected injury or illness will still put most Americans into bankruptcy.

And what do Democrats do? Pretend that war is the most important issue, and move heaven and earth to ship more of our tax money overseas for it.

That is why so many people don't think voting matters, and they're not wrong.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Abortion is a product of the supreme Court being stuffed by Conservatives under Trump. So yes, a precise product of letting Conservatives win the elections in 2016. It doesn't get more direct than this

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is this enough motivation to get people out to vote this election? Wtf Seattle!

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or you go out and vote and then the mayor appoints someone who lost her election to the council 🤡

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you don't vote but the Christofascists do vote, that's your solution? Political apathy is going to somehow save the day? If you don't like the pool of candidates maybe you should study law and politics for 2 years then run for the position yourself?

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where did I say that??

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sorry, I just kind of went off on you for even alluding that a persons vote doesn't matter in a given situation.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it’s consensual between people of appropriate ages, then the government should have absolutely nothing to say or do.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weird how the party of freedom and the party of small government wants to take away so many freedoms and put so much government between you and everything else, huh?

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, it is funny that the people that came to this land for freedom ended up creating a government that restricts freedoms so much. Turns out the didn’t want to destroy the systems of control they ran from, they just wanted to be the ones in charge.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Poor piligrams. No one ever mentions them.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many of the earliest immigrants to North America came because they were religious regressives that didn't fit in with their countries of origin.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A mere 128 years after the first Europeans did and +13,000 years after the first humans.

"Earliest".

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, the first humans on the Americas showed up around 10-25 thousand years ago. But the first immigrants, by definition, would have been the first humans to show up after the First Humans to show up.

The first humans in the Americas would be what we call native or indigenous Americans today, but the first immigrants to the Americas, according to our history, would be the first Europeans to come here.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am very much under the impression that the freedom the original pilgrims sought was the freedom to persecute each other, yes. Like, they left England because they were being stopped from doing that. They even went to one of the Nordic countries first, and were welcomed, but they didn't like it there because they thought the locals were too liberal or something.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pilgirims =/= Purtains.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Puritans, and that’s who the pilgrims were.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Postman further detailed the extent of the inspections, noting that on Friday night, the JET visited 10 locations, including two known as historic gay clubs. On Saturday, LCB officers inspected eight clubs, two of which were gay clubs.

Also

The lewd conduct violations in question were related to clothing that exposed the buttocks and nipples of patrons, which is prohibited under state law in liquor establishments, he said, noting that, in his opinion, the law needed to change to be a reflection of today’s times.

Sounds like pretty standard, as opposed to directed, harrassment. Well, if they had information about how many tickets were given out at each club they "visited". And I happen to agree with the guy (shudder), the law needs to be changed.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Nah, the seattle PDs MO would be to target the gay clubs but then also "inspect" several straight clubs to cover it up.

Its a police department that's been under a federal consent degree for over a decade due to racist policing and excessive force. Its the police department whose second in command of the union was recently recorded joking about how little a young indians woman's life was worth after a cop just recklessly killed her with his car going 74 in a 25. Its a department that illegally hung a "trump 2020" flag in the same break room they were displaying trophies from black lives matter protests. A department that directly maced a small child during said protests, along with hundreds of other brutal and unjustified actions. The same department whose last chief mysteriously lost a great sum of official conversations with the the mayor and the head of the police union during the protests. The previous mayor and head of the police union also strangely "lost" those legally public conversations.

They get no reasonable doubt because they have failed to live up to that standard too many times.

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[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It was more than just gay clubs visited all under enforcing liquor laws which begs the question, is this a top priority for Seattle society as surely those same police personnel could have been working on real issues as surely naked nips and exposed ass pants are doing little society harm. Meanwhile, a few more drunk drivers never got stopped. That is the real crime here. Seattle police are distracted with low priority issues. Is this ok with the people living there?

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