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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago

Star Trek inspired me by showing me a galaxy full of equals, and a galaxy where you don't interfere with indigenous cultures. A federation of worlds where everyone's needs are taken care of and human rights are respected.

And most importantly, an imperative to talk things out in a hostile situation before shooting.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

That last line is what hits me the most. Probably because if we did the last line first then the others would fall into place. One can understand quite a lot by simply listening.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Exactly. We do far too much shooting first and asking questions later in this world and it is not a path to peace.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

You worded it more eloquently than I was going to. We'll get our fully automated gay space communism one of these days.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

For me personally, two shows/movies made a big impact on me as an early teen:

  • Star Trek (TNG at the time)
  • Jurassic Park

The reason being that most of the characters in those two shows/movies weren't superheroes/cops/etc. They were geeks and nerds.

Star Trek, the geeks and nerds are prized in society, and their purpose is to explore, to learn. They were scientists. They didn't accomplish their thing by conquest, but by diplomacy and science. There, of course, were battles/warriors/etc, but those are shown as the exception.

In Jurassic Park, every character is a nerd (the Dino obsessed boy, the Unix hacking girl, the Paleontologist/Paelobotanist, the Geneticist, Mathematician, etc). The good guys AND the bad guys were nerds. No strong-man was needed to save the day.

I was a nerdy kid, and those spoke to me. I now work in a science research lab, and love it. I'm still a nerd.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I love this answer. I somehow didn't realize that everyone in JP was a nerd except for Muldoon who was neutralized almost immediately.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

It's one of the reasons I don't care for the newer Jurassic Park movies. Chris Pratt plays the strong man to save the day (continually)

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I don't care for the newer ones because literally none of the characters or moments are memorable. I can remember a deleted scene of... Whoever the female lead is (Christ, even forgot who she is) rubbing dinoshit all over herself and Chris Pratt getting turned on. Also remember a PA having the most unnecessary and violent death for just existing.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

There was a scene that was very memorable to me. It's the scene where Chris Pratt is riding a Triumph Bonneville through a dense forest, full of undergrowth, with his raptor buddies. It is memorable to me because it's impossible. As someone who rides motorcycles and dirt bikes, that scene stood out to me as so stupid. Oh, one other scene. Where the aviary dome is broken and the pterodactyls immediately embark on a homicidal rampage. Because we all know that animals don't kill for food, they kill for fun, and what's more fun than slaughtering an entire city?

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

If they immediately go to slaughtering everything, that would mean they are hungry, which means the park staff was likely severely underfeeding them... which is animal abuse and gets zoos fined and/or shut down. Well fed animals might take a swipe at someone in their way, but they'd likely just head for the forest and do bird stuff there.

Realistic Jurassic Park would be pretty boring TBH

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

And thanks to him, we had Uhura through all 3 seasons and all 6 movies. Obviously nowhere near his greatest achievement, but I am grateful for it.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's quite possible that we wouldn't have Uhura on Strange New Worlds without him meeting Nichols, either.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And Celia Rose Gooding is continuing Nichols torch bearing with her hair choice!

"I think the first thing that people were really keeping an eye out for was that I chopped off all her hair, and I love it," she told TVLine.

"[What] was incredible with Nichelle's Uhura and Zoe's Uhura was that they had the epitome of what Black femininity was at the time."

"Now we’re in [2022], and I think the iconic short Caesar cut has been a thing for Black men for a long time, but we are slowly but surely as a community getting closer and closer to widening the ideals of what Black femininity looks like.

"Having an opportunity to take on the iconic character and still give her this layer of incredible grace… and also have her have this incredibly gorgeous short cut look – it just feels so right to me. Even with the Dora Milaje in Black Panther, their femininity was never questioned, but they all had real short cuts."

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a39834637/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-uhura-hair/

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Never been a fan of permed hair. I like her natural look!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I'm fine if Celia Rose's Uhura never has the TOS Uhura hair, but I really wish they'd get around to giving her TOS Uhura's confidence.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Got nearly 10 years in between now and then. Well get there! They're doing a great job with the character development, I am oddly not worried.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I think the pacing of that growth is on purpose. Hemmer's main role seemed to be making Uhura grow into her TOS self.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago

That made me real sad in a way. It's a beautiful story, but I wish Nichelle Nichols could've gone into theatre like she wanted. There was a quote from a black feminist group that I can't find now that said something about how it isn't really a choice to become a fighter to resist oppression, because if they could choose, they'd choose something else, that they want to do, rather than what they are compelled to do. The reason to be a fighter is to try to make it so that the black little girls of the future can be free to self-realise.

It was an impactful quote because I felt like it acknowledged the respect that is due to people who fight for a better world, while also not excluding the grief and sorrow that comes from recognising that to commit to a cause is a sacrifice that wouldn't have needed to be made in a just world.

I know that Nichelle Nichols' work and activism extends far beyond Star Trek, but underlying it all is a deep sense of duty that I find at once beautiful and sad.

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[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

That story made my eyes leak for some odd reason.

Bless you and thank you all Dr. King, Mr. Roddenberry and Mrs. Nichols.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Putting my mod hat on here- This post is about how Star Trek inspired you, not what you think of Whoopi Godlberg. Think of the quote as why Star Trek inspired someone, not who that someone is.

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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 months ago

Anything she wanted, so she became a terrible person.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

I don't like her either, but that particular quote of hers is wonderful and casting her as Guinan because of it was inspired.

And she did a good job as Guinan whatever I think of her personally.

I mean Shatner is a total dick but I still love Kirk.

[-] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

I mean Shatner is a total dick but I still love Kirk.

Meh, I think I for one can respect Shatner's "dickery."

As in-- he's a really good actor who never wanted to be typecast as Captain Kirk, and is rightfully a bit short with ST fans on average. OTOH, it's not like he goes out of his way to stir shit up or cast aspersions. More like he's typically wanted to be left alone by Trekkies & Trekkers, and I can understand that.

He's also taken the time to write a lot of interesting books, some of them biographical, some of them about ST, and also do an interview series.

I would never in a million years expect that I could walk up to a big star in public and expect to be treated like some long-lost friend of a fan. Some stars are amazingly good with that, but that's on them.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

It's not about his reaction to fans. His Star Trek co-stars have a lot to say about how he was rude to them and just generally arrogant. He and Nimoy hated each other for years. They supposedly made up, but Shatner didn't attend his funeral. His excuse was he was scheduled to do a fundraiser.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Feels like her original commentary was more born out of ignorance. And while I'm not condoning her actions, I understand them. And she's since recanted and is apparently trying to educate herself on the matter, which is definitely better than some.

Then there's the power element. When you're in a position like hers, the word "no" will be repeated less and less, and that will definitely skew how you approach the world. Her getting backlash and a suspension could be the "no" she's needed for years.

Let's hope she grows from this.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

I wanted to share a link about this and her actually joining star trek but it was behind a cookie wall

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[-] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 11 points 4 months ago

A world where deeds mattered more than wealth

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[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

Ironic really, because later on she'd appear on Trek as a bartender.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Not the same, matey, not the same

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[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago

We-ell, it inspired me to respect Star Wars more. Hard to take seriously people laughing about midichlorians and space wizards, and at the same time being serious about transporters and creating matter from nothing and all that "post-scarcity" stuff.

Also Star Trek: Bridge Commander is an awesome game, simpler than something like Battlecruiser Millennium, but still cool. It's the Star Wars game I'd like to see minus Star Wars.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

To your first point, that's fair but Trek and Wars are just different things and the same thing at the same time. The only time Star Wars tried to add hard science to it, it was mocked relentlessly (midichlorians) because that sort of hard science fiction didn't make sense or fit in the world of Star Wars. Star Wars is science fantasy, not fiction, and introducing explanations start stripping the world of its mystery and awe. It also just didn't jive with the vibe already established. It was basically someone just saying "Um actually, it's not mystical. It's just science." Star Trek on the other hand actively tries to explain everything all the time anyway.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

A modern version of Bridge Commander that was voice-activated would be cool. I know there have been one or two similar games, but I'd like a Star Trek-themed one.

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[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

"so I became an arsehole"

I jest, I jest. She's alright, just old and rich and opinionated.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

And an asshole. She's not a pleasant woman but she did an enormous amount for black women across media in general, nevermind science fiction.

Avery Brooks also fits that bill quite well, unfortunately. He just isn't as public with his insanity

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago

When I was a kid I saw Star Trek on TV and thought “if those people can get out of Yorkshire then maybe I can too!”.

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