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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Apytele@sh.itjust.works to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

It's easy not to trust a system associated with charging you $500 for Tylenol. Much easier (and occasionally even safer) to just smell some lavender and hope that helps. Go to an ED and you could just die of a stroke or heart attack in the waiting room or even get run over by somebody who died of a heart attack while driving and just plowed through the waiting room because they couldn't afford an ambulance. And the Healthcare system is largely failing because of insurance companies. Burn inhumana and united quacks to the ground 2k24.

Edit: also housing. Fix the housing crisis and the Healthcare system could probably pull through despite the odds. There's a huge number of homeless people that just live in hospitals, especially psych wards and I'm not even kidding.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago

Personally, I blame the people telling the lies; e.g. the antivax campaigners, the tobacco companies, etc.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago

Blame the politicians they own

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It's tough when doctors have been liars too, like those who are hired to push a certain narrative by corporations, or those who participated in unethical studies, or basically all doctors to women saying all our problems are emotional and in our heads while ignoring objective medical facts/symptoms.

When I see how differently men and women are treated in medicine, it's hard to trust doctors to be objective. They're just not.

I'm doing my best to be a good little Democrat and look down on those who don't trust doctors but geeze, experiencing a pregnancy and then giving birth in America makes it real hard to give doctors the benefit of the doubt.

[-] stringere@leminal.space 2 points 3 months ago

Just wait until you or someone close develops an autoimmune disease, then the trust meter falls off a cliff during round after round of tests and "you're fine".

Or if you have a bunion that skews your big toe 35° but they tell you it's not bad enough for surgery and there's nothing to be done for it.

Or...yeah we could be here all day just for the system's failings for me and my wife.

And there's our lack of or inadequate mental health coverage and care.

[-] cymbal_king@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The tobacco companies? Telling lies? Why I never!

What's next, Kellogg shouldn't be advertising sugar for breakfast for kids?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

We will always have liars about literally everything you cannot blame the liars for being successful fix the system that let them defeat truth.

[-] ElmerFudd@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You absolutely can, and should, hold liars accountable. The "don't hate the player, hate the game" excuse simply doesn't fly for everything.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Any system capable of countering a determined attempt to spread misinformation would by design attach penalties to such lies, and those penalties would be enforced on the liars. What successful fix could even be proposed that withholds blame?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Penalising liars seems a lot like suppression of opinions that's a very dangerous route to take. An most educated independent thinkers dont fall for most lies. So maybe fix the american education system and that should solve this problem pretty well. Blame them for being cunts sure but punishing makes unfiltered speech dangerous.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago

There's so many things wrong with the Americans healthcare system, I don't know how to find the most absurd one.

But also the fact that you can advertise for medicin, and that the patient actually has a say in what they get at the doctor, is insane.

Why would you trust those guys, if the medicin they sell is sponsored?

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 4 months ago

Just wait for what's coming. The ACA set us up for monetization of healthcare on steroids, and it's just about to hit critical mass. I think anyone engaged with the healthcare system today can see the enshitification accelerating.

For just a sampling of what's to come, there is a projected shortage of up to 86,000 physicians by 2036. It seems like doctors aren't interested in joining the rest of us in working for slave wages to benefit Wall Street.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 13 points 4 months ago

lack of residency spots by design and high student loans make becomming a primary care doctor a losing proposition. specialize to survive

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 4 months ago

Yep. If you look into how the USA produces doctors, it is over giant hazing ritual created by a person who loved cocaine.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago

Or go to work at an insurance company denying claims. It's better money and less hassle.

Residency is almost just a hazing ritual for gatekeeping . I honestly don't think it makes doctors better. However, residency is not new, but the building doctor shortage is. My primary care physician of 20 years just retired early because the corporation that bought out his office was pushing him to take so many patients for such little compensation that it just wasn't worth it.

[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

corporation that bought out his office was pushing him to take so many patients for such little compensation that it just wasn’t worth it.

Can we all agree that letting Wall St corps enshittify every aspect of our society so they can reap extreme profits at everyone else’s expense needs to end?

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[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You can have insurance and still be expected to pay thousands of dollars of one out of network doctor sees you at your in network hospital.

[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

With the joy of high deductible health plans you can pay thousands of dollars in network, because they can get away with it.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Advertising of prescription medicine is illegal in my country so it's crazy visiting the US and those are like half of the ads

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The patient doesn't really get a say. Only the shitty doctors giving into their patients demanding medications they don't need. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, but it's not standard.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Must be pretty widespread since there's so many ads for drugs and medicin.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because the bad doctors, as I said, do give in to the pushing patient. That doesn't mean all do.

Even if it's a small percentage of doctors, that could be a big boost in sales for the pharmaceutical company.

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[-] Akareth@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

From a non-American's perspective, I think part of the mistrust comes from Americans have been through high-profile lies perpetrated by government agencies.

For example, a more recent one in the last few decades is the Food Pyramid/MyPlate that was/is promoted by the US government's agriculture department. This has led to Americans in the late '70s/early '80s to start a war on saturated fat and cholesterol, and the rapid adoption of carbohydrates in the average diet. What has happened in the decades following is a rapid increase in metabolic diseases such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and mental illnesses — all of which were rare in human history prior to the '70s. While I'm glad Americans are waking up to the realisation of the mass brainwashing of what constitutes "healthy" food, I'm still upset that — due to the influence of America on the global stage — my own country has followed suit in adopting the US's dietary guidelines to the detriment of our own health.

[-] stringere@leminal.space 3 points 3 months ago

And that's just one example.

The most glaring generator of mistrust for decades now is the thing citizens discuss all the time but is never addressed: our out of control military budget.

We could solve every one of our country's financial issues multiple times over by reducing the military budget, and not even drastically so.

Our military was tasked with an audit to reign in waste and spending. They couldn't pass an audit so they were just given a free pass, no penalties or repercussions. The first audit was 2017 and they failed to pass. They failed two more since then. Senator Sanders intoruduced a bill in 2021 and again in 2023 which required an audit and was supposed to impose penalties for failure, it's been introduced so we'll see how that goes.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 18 points 4 months ago

a big part of it is how conservatives have a privileged position in the discourse, and since conservatives are predominantly rural they have distruct because rural areas get the worst doctors and other professionals so it affects how they see the professions.

[-] scoobford@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 months ago

Medical ethics in the US are not and have never been great. A few decades ago, they were bad enough to intentionally infect patients with syphillus (sp?) without their knowledge or consent. Maybe a decade or two ago, doctors were bribed into over prescribing opiates and starting the opiate crisis.

No shit people don't trust the medical establishment. They may act appropriately most of the time, but that just isn't good enough to be trustworthy.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I suspect the GOP and gullible citizens have a bigger impact.

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Conservatives correctly identify the location of anxiety, but not the source of the issue. So, a mismatch of anxiety over healthcare costs leading to mistrust of healthcare is, like, textbook conservatism.

Take the anxiety over one thing and use it to stoke fears related to that anxiety.

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[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

Nah, we have plenty of anti-vaxers up in Canada too.

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 7 points 4 months ago

UK too. Some I've met who are old enough to remember life before the polio vaccine and still claim it isn't needed. It's purely stupidity.

[-] sajran@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

US has a huge influence on the entire world. Could it be that it started (or got amplified) in the US due to poor healthcare and then spread out to the rest of the world? I'm not trying to put all the blame on US of course, but it doesn't sound that unreasonable that it could be partially responsible.

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Maybe the prominent anti-vax campaigns in the US and their proselytizing on the internet have contributed to the sentiment overall but there's always been mistrust of vaccines around the world. Most of the current anti-vax rhetoric about the autism link was first put forward by a British doctor https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673605756968/fulltext

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

The modern Antivax movement was literally started by a British doctor anal probing kids to prove the jab doesn't work, but don't let that stop you from making everything America's fault!

[-] sajran@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Hey, I've been really careful with my words to NOT say that. I was just wondering and I acknowledge that it might be nonsense.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

It's because it's a pro profit business that inflates it's prices in an open market for the insurance companies. This bit of knowledge undermines ALL other truths. No matter how much you try and argue people believe that money is the world's biggest motivation because they desperately need it and see it being idolized.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Not the reason. Lots of distrust in Europe too, where you can buy a box of paracetamol for just a few euro.

[-] Tinks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

You can do that in the US too, but if they give it to you in a hospital the line item charge is much higher.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Places where it's sold over off the shelf in supermarkets it costs pennies.

It's also now harder to buy good vinegar in smaller supermarkets. They've replaced most of their options with cider vinegar, due to idiots falling for the drink cider vinegar for your health joke.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

What’s “good vinegar” and where is it off the shelf? It seems like the vinegar section of my store has gone crazy over the last decade or so, with so much choice. I usually have cider vinegar, white wine vinegar, balsamic vinegar and rice vinegar for cooking, and distilled for cleaning, but I do t even know what half the choices are

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Intentional heroin overdose.

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