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The European Commission argues it was Europe's students and young graduates who were most affected by Brexit's mobility restrictions. The UK has reportedly responded cooly to the proposal.

The European Union is trying to improve mobility between its 27 member-states and the UK, particularly for people between the ages of 18 and 30. But whether such a proposal would be welcomed by London remains to be seen.

The EU's executive arm, the European Commission, is trying to open bloc-wide talks with the UK on allowing youth from EU countries to study or work and live in Britain for up to four years, with the same arrangement for British youth.

The proposal would largely revert youth mobility to pre-Brexit times, when members of the then-28-member EU, including Britain, were allowed to work and study without visa requirements. The Commission's new plan would involve a visa, but one whose fees would not be "excessive."

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[-] Shard@lemmy.world 135 points 7 months ago

Everyday we are reminded of the damage that state-sponsored misinformation can do.

The stupidest part about brexit was that it was a non-binding referendum. They could have just ignored it. But I guess sometimes you need your house to burn down before you realize why we need a publicly funded fire department.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's was only non-binding if they lost, like they had previously. Asshats like Farrage were just going to keep trying until they got the answer they wanted.

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[-] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 84 points 7 months ago

EU, please let Canada in while you're at it. We share a border with denmark

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 23 points 7 months ago

Also France is just a short ferry ride away if you count St. Pierre and Miquelon .

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago

France is already in the EU though

[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

Shhhh! Some of them don’t know

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

Brazilian here, from the country that shares the largest of the borders of France...

The free movement of people have been nice, is there any chance the they would pressure Brazil into losing a bit of sovereignty and obey the EU's Constitution?

[-] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

imagine all country that border EU states start joining in lol

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

No need to actually join :)

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

[-] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 3 points 7 months ago

I'm all for it, but no weird extra right like the UK had. Also, would that perhaps be a problem with your monarchy?

[-] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago

While the governor general (rep of the crown) technically has to sign off on laws passed, they have never in the country's history refused to sign. If they ever did, I think it might be enough for Canada to kick the "monarchy" part of the constitutional monarchy for good.

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[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 37 points 7 months ago

As long as it's mutual, so 18-30 year old EU citizens can live and work in the UK with little restriction, I'm all for this. I imagine there may be people in the UK who will take issue with that.

[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 35 points 7 months ago

A lot of people were given false hope that Brexit would magically solve all their problems. People now regret it.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 53 points 7 months ago

I'd love if the UK could again be part of the EU. Brexit was the most damaging blow Russia did to Europe in the past 3 decades at least.

[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

There is a reasonable amount of damage being done in Ukraine by Russia just now, but I understand where you are coming from.

[-] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

british people act like having slightly worse prices is worde than being bombed lol

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 18 points 7 months ago

They won’t be allowed back under the same terms they had before the exit. For example every new member has to become part of the Eurozone and adopt the Euro. I definitely see this becoming a dealbreaker for British conservatives who love to have their ~~master~~ King on their currency

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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 7 months ago

The thing is, that won't work well either. The UK had a very special position previously in the EU, like not adopting the Euro as currency and many other extra "perks" or whatever you want to call it. If they go back in they will likely not get any of those since otherwise it will look really bad for other countries that recently joined. Then people will be unhappy about joining again because it is not what they remembered. So, no, there is no winning with this one, damage is done.

[-] suzune@ani.social 12 points 7 months ago

The best was the discounted membership. UK paid less than Italy. Populists have easy way with fools.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

What's crazy is that it was revealed that the leave campaign was all intentionally lies and that it wasn't what people actually wanted and the government just said "too bad."

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

What's crazier is Boris Johnson, Michael Grove, and the rest didn't face any repercussions for the lies.

They even still have their jobs in parliament!

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

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[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

Why restrict the ages? Looks like corporate vying for cheap labor.

[-] procesd@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I see this as the EU moving pieces to influence the UK people to revert brexit in a generation (Bregret? Breback?). It benefits the demographic that was already against brexit and keeps the idea od Europe in their minds.

I doubt is for cheap labor. I work in London and in a team of 20 we have a single British, and the few in the company tend to have an easier path for leadership, so why leave? That has been similar in all my previous jobs.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

Here's a revolutionary idea: don't set an age limit!

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago

Sunak already killed this, so it doesn't matter really. If it passed, it would have been a step towards re-establishing free movement for everyone.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If I remember correctly, France was one of the first ones to cut them off after they left and they cut them off hard.

I wonder how willing they'll be to let them come crawling back.

And how does EU membership work?
Does it need to be a unanimous decision from the current member states to admit/readmit a country or is it a majority/supermajority decision?

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

The EU has members elect politicians - MEPs (Members of European Parliament). These politicians vote on issues similar to how most other parliaments would. Many issues are agreed upon this way.

MEPs are grouped by political alignment not nationality.

The EU council is the other legislative body in the EU. The EU parliament can send legislation that it doesn't have the authority to pass itself here for consideration. This type of legislation is still supposed to be developed and debated in parliament. The EU council is a collections of ministers from each member state. These ministers represent their government, not the people (directly at least). This council can approve and amend legislation passed by the parliament. This is where the vetos can happen.

The council is important to maintain the sovereignty of individual nations. Despite what Brexit campaigns say, the EU parliament is and isn't going to be sovereign. The council enables each sovereign state to stop legislation they don't want. This often means the EU passes very boring and very agreeable legislation. But it legislation that makes the rules within multiple nations consistent so commerce is easier and less bureaucratic. Once you comply with the EU rules, you've complied with all the countries within it.

[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

While this is broadly right for legislation, the question above was about admission of new member states.

Admission of new member states requires unanimity among existing member states. That is because EU membership is based on international treaties. For every member state there is a treaty like this one that regulates their entry into the EU; you can see that it's a treaty between literally all (existing and new) member states which had to agree to it.

[-] warm@kbin.earth 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

We can just ban people over the age of 45 and give the rest some freedom that they wanted back.

[-] mindlight@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

The UK already has its own Youth Mobility scheme, where it had already struck deals with 13 countries.

If I'm correct, the countries are: 

  • Australia
  • Canada
  • New Zealand
  • South Korea
  • Andorra
  • Iceland
  • Japan
  • Monaco
  • San Marino
  • Uruguay
  • Hong Kong
  • Taiwan
  • India

If this is what the UK leadership see as the better choice for British citizens, then it's up to the citizens of Great Britain to do something about it in the next election.

[-] brewery@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Surely, they are not mutually exclusive and some form of this scheme has been in place for some countries (albeit mainly white commonwealth countries) for many years, even when the UK was in the EU.

Holy shit though, I just looked up the UK's scheme and you have to pay almost a grand in fees (mostly NHS surcharge) and have over £2,500 in savings. I don't want rich a-holes coming over for an extended holiday instead of normal people from more different cultures. Let's vote for better and fairer immigration polices

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I feel sorry for those who feel having £3500 makes you rich.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Labour said no, Tories said No. So maybe it's time people consider something beyond those 2

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I say no to this, they wanted out so they got it. This would be another concession made to the brits and remove an incentive for the younger generation to get involved and get their voice heard. Leave them outside until they learn.

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