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[-] korstmos@kbin.social 160 points 11 months ago

Because paying a few grand a year for a certificate somehow makes your software more trustworthy

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 55 points 11 months ago

The original Twitter checkmark

[-] Zalack@startrek.website 35 points 11 months ago

You're being sarcastic but even small fees immediately weed out a ton of cruft.

[-] xigoi 27 points 11 months ago

They also weed out a lot of legitimate software, especially if it's non-commercial.

[-] Zalack@startrek.website 19 points 11 months ago

I'm not saying there aren't downsides, just that it isn't a totally crazy strategy.

[-] RippleEffect@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Well it at least is an obstacle. Broke hackers won't get it or will have to work harder to get around it.

[-] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

That's the intention. In reality lots of genuine devs can't afford it, so people get accustomed to just ignore the whole thing.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 10 points 11 months ago

Even more lols when you are gigabyte and your private key leaks. Also when you are gigabyte and your signed driver is used to privilege escalate malware.

[-] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

And you can still bypass it if you put your software in a .zip

[-] smolyeet@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

And that’s why certificates can be revoked, that’s the whole point, trust. It only costs a few hundred a year per Microsoft’s documentation and approved vendors so it doesn’t seem that much of an ask. At the very least you can look up the developer yourself, harder to do if the package has no identity associated with it

[-] Tathas@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Gigabyte has entered the chat.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Linux: OK

User: Oh great, I downloaded a virus

Linux: Lol. You should have read the 2000-line python script on github before running it.

[-] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 53 points 11 months ago

Actually there's extensive documentation on the arch wiki regarding this specific line of code burried 1673 lines deep.

I suggest you read the documentation before you ask irrelevant and, might I add, embarrassing questions.

[-] Johanno@lemmy.fmhy.net 16 points 11 months ago

It is your fault always.

[-] ephemerality@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

I wrote some open source software and looked into how to make that not happen. It’s not easy on Microsoft, and on Apple it costs more than a $100/year!

[-] Beanie@programming.dev 38 points 11 months ago

you have to pay to have your stuff put on the app store??

[-] ephemerality@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

Yes, on both platforms.

[-] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not only that; You have to pay for updates too. Supposedly it’s because Apple takes time to verify that the app is legit and not going to do nefarious things. So they don’t want a bad actor to get a legit app on the store, then later push an update that infects everyone with a virus.

But apparently a company did a study and realized that app testing rarely made it past the main page, with testers spending ~15-20 seconds per app. They’d basically open it and if it looked like it did what it said, they didn’t bother digging any deeper.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Why do you think they set those up? To not make money?

[-] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Yes. It's actually rather tragic I strive to run my business NOT using big tech. But we need an app for our users. On Apple this means you simply MUST pay apple. 100/year is not a lot. I just don't want to give them my business.

[-] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

You have to pay for a license to be able to publish apps to the store, yes. This isn't a bad thing, mainly just for the fact that it stops a lot of trash from being put on there.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah we are an open source org and simply don't sign the executables because of this bullshit

[-] Fuzzy_Dunlop@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago

I can navigate Windows well enough for my job, but I'd never choose it for personal use. I'm no Linux expert, but I haven't yet been faced with a problem I couldn't solve.

[-] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wish I were you. I'm constantly running into problems that I either can't solve, or end up spending way more time on than it's probably worth. My last Geruda linux install became unbootable because I tried to change the system font to a different existant preset. The error I got, of course, only had 2 prior instances referenced on Le Google, both of which were in completely different contexts than mine such that either the recommended fix did not work, or I didn't have the tools available to follow it.

I'm still not switching back to Windows though because fuck 'em.

[-] mfn@mfn.pub 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think your problem is you are using a niche Arch derivative that has a small user base. You should definitely consider using more mainstream distros so you can easily find the help you need until you are comfortable and feel confident with using Linux.

[-] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I'd use a mainstream distro. I came to Linux in 2017, used Ubuntu for 4 years until I got tired of them forcing snaps down my throat, and then went to Arch. I have never distro-hopped, but I also have never had any huge issues with the mainstream distros.

The main distros really are well maintained and do tend to "just work". Dare I say, especially Ubuntu.

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[-] Slopz@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I'm the exact opposite! Use Windows for personal use, and use Linux for my VMs/Servers/Docker.

[-] svartkaffi@fedia.io 3 points 11 months ago

I was taught to use Ubuntu Linux by a middle aged engineer in another field who demanded "the brown operating system" on his computer over a decade ago, so yes, I agree, day to day Linux hasn't been hard for over a decade.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This will be outdated soon.

They basically admitted at a security conference (I think) that part of the roadmap for Windows 11 is to actually prevent Windows from running unsigned apps period, and you better believe getting past that will require an Enterprise license.

[-] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

If true ew. I actually just recently learned that Windows 11 requires a Microsoft account (you can disable it by going into the registry) but it officially actually requires it. Fuck them.

[-] provomeister@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago

No registry edit necessary. Just use the email no[at]thankyou.com, write any password. Windows will throw an error, press continue and voilà, you can create your local account.

Rufus also has an option for local accounts and for removing TPM/SecureBoot requirements.

[-] asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 11 months ago

I created my windows 11 install stick with Rufus, it actually has an option to disable the requirement for a windows account when creating the bootable stick

[-] Johanno@lemmy.fmhy.net 2 points 11 months ago

Well you can log in without one, but that requires many unintuitive steps.

For example one of them is to login with wrong Account information.

[-] DigitalBits@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I don't think you need to with either a professional or enterpriese account (I think professional). Do need to with a home account though which is extremely annoying.

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[-] Fish@midwest.social 14 points 11 months ago

I definitely need a source on this. I searched online and couldn't find anything. If this is true, I feel like it's the one thing that might actually cause some people to move to Linux.

[-] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There's no reason for Microsoft to do that. That will just alienate existing Windows users enough to try other OSes while providing no benefit whatsoever to the corporation. Even Apple, which is known for its love of walled gardens, allows executing unsigned code in MacOS. So I very much doubt we'll get a source.

[-] average650@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I feel like it would get much better a mistake if they did... I use both windows and Linux now. I would rather use Linux full time but some software, specifically office and some (not most, but a few) don't play nice with Linux.

If I just lost a ton of programs that I would say are critical for windows, no doubt I switch full time unless my work prevents me.

[-] ErrorCode0@programming.dev 23 points 11 months ago

Mac os when u don't pay 99$ a year to apple to sign the app

[-] Crul@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago
[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Mac does it now too. But they do it because they are anti-competitive and want to make you use the Mac app Store. They need to be broken up.

[-] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 11 points 11 months ago

No.

It's a security feature. Right click, select open, affirm that you meant to run the thing, then it works. This needs to be done once for that app.

You can disable this behavior too.

[-] narp@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It has of course nothing to do with the enormous amount of money they rake through their app store by squeezing both the developers and the users.

Why would they try to force people to only use the store by implementing more and more security features along the way!?

It's a mystery!

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[-] LambLeeg@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Let's make it clear. The only virus on a PC is its owner. It never emerges on itself

[-] ech0@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Worm Virus enters the chat

[-] h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

Actually this is a good practice. If you don't know where the program is or if the source is not open, you shouldn't install blindly.

[-] sarmale@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago
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