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[-] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 4 weeks ago

Just a reminder: yesterday (June 4 2024) marked the 35 year anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre.

Some relevant links:

Associated Press: Silence and heavy security in China and Hong Kong mark 35th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown
Hong Kong Free Press: In Pictures: Hong Kong’s US, EU consulates mark Tiananmen crackdown anniversary with candles
Al Jazeera: Taiwan’s President Lai Ching-te says Tiananmen ‘will not disappear in torrent of history’

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 75 points 4 weeks ago

Here is an album of photos from the protest in 1989, along with explanations of the historical context:

https://archive.ph/7Tdzh

Warning: blood, gore, visible injuries, death

[-] newnton@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 weeks ago

The ending photos of the candlelight vigil in Hong Kong are chilling. Never forget that we failed to learn our lesson and allowed democracy to die there

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 9 points 4 weeks ago

Holy shit!

[-] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Grisly images, had no idea it was that bad.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 29 points 4 weeks ago

Was anyone else told/under the assumption this guy got run over? Wild.

[-] 1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee 38 points 4 weeks ago

I remember the video from the next day and a lot of people were run over. All of the acts of that part of history get conflated in memory. That's why it's good to have video and good to have professional historians.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 4 weeks ago

Link? I've never seen this.

[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 weeks ago

I don't have links, but at least from what I've heard, they were washing people down the drains afterward.

[-] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 weeks ago

https://youtu.be/s9A51jN19zw Biased, but has a lot of footage.

[-] 1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

I don't have a link right now. I literally remember seeing it on the television on the nightly news in the United States.

[-] Baroness_Buttslut@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

I would like to see the video is you provide a link, later.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That is definitely not true! The killing that did happen was in the streets surrounding Tiananmen Square. This is now the official USA position, and recently declassified diplomatic cables confirm that the initial reports were incorrect.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 6 points 4 weeks ago

How does that change things, exactly?

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Only that while an atrocity clearly occurred, you're one of many with false memories about the event. It's a clear example of the propagation of a false narrative and it's okay to acknowledge that. People are literally swearing they saw footage which doesn't exist, and their response is "so what it I'm completely wrong, China is still bad". At the very least, that's interesting.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 8 points 4 weeks ago

What false narrative?? I've never heard anyone claim that all the violence and killing happened only directly on the square, what a bizarre counter claim that changes nothing lol

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Really, I hear that all the time! Along with the guy in front of the tanks being run down, human paste down the drains, 10,000 deaths, etc. It's disingenuous of you to act otherwise, this and other threads on the subject are full of people under this impression. The truth is bad enough!

[-] ___@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago

Don’t discount the 30 millions lives lost that day.

[-] Desistance@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

I always assumed that tank man got ran over since I've only seen images.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's a common tool of propaganda. If you lie outright, you can get caught, and the audience may not believe you in the first place. The real trick is to leave gaps for the audience to fill in with their imagination, and if you're doing it skillfully, they'll end up not only believing what you want them to, but also thinking it was their idea all along. I've even seen the video cut to show the tank moving in the man's direction, and then cut away before it stops, creating the impression that the full video would show him getting run over and is not included because it would be too graphic - for example, 3:14 in this bizarre psyop recruitment ad.

[-] newnton@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone imply that he’s important because he’s a martyr, it’s the fact he believes in his cause strongly enough and he was brave enough to stare down inevitable death and force the other guy to blink that’s so memorable about that image (at least for me and those I’ve spoken to about it)

The psyops propaganda you posted is definitely cringe af but it seems to clearly show the tank turning in the clip, calling it a clear example of misleading people into thinking he was killed is a pretty big stretch imo

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone imply that he’s important because he’s a martyr

Why did you read my comment but not the one I was replying to?

The psyops propaganda you posted is definitely cringe af but it seems to clearly show the tank turning in the clip

Right, because the tank did turn, so they can't show a clip of it driving straight at him because that clip doesn't exist. But given that it's on screen for about one second, I would venture to guess that some people might not be examining that too closely, and would just see that the tank is moving.

calling it a clear example of misleading people into thinking he was killed is a pretty big stretch imo

It's not about directly misleading people, as I said. It's about leaving ambiguity and subtly hinting at what that ambiguity might be, while leaving yourself plausible deniability. To simply lie directly is a crass and obvious form of propaganda, to be used sparingly. If you're looking for propaganda in the mindset of looking for a "smoking gun" that would hold up in court, you don't understand the nature of it. It's an art. It's advertising. I couldn't prove to a jury what Shakespeare wanted the audience to take away from Hamlet, but that doesn't mean I can't analyze it and make educated guesses.

Obviously, anyone who's seen the full video or knows the story won't be fooled, but that's not the point. If some number of people come away thinking what you want them to think, and the origin of that thought can't be traced back to you in an incriminating way, then you did your job.

[-] some_guy 17 points 4 weeks ago

Would have preferred no music. I don’t need cues to tell me when I should feel suspense.

Brave dude. No one knows if he was apprehended except for the intelligence or military services in China.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

What a brave dude and a terrible thing. At least all 42 000 Chinese students were granted full asylum in a unilateral decision by Bob Hawke, our PM at the time.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 10 points 4 weeks ago

Such restraint. He could have annihilated that entire column of tanks with just one swing of his TREMENDOUS BALLS.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

The cojones on this dude.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago

Have u been banned from all .ml communities yet?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

Dessalines himself posted this video

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Why would I be banned for showing a video of a guy standing in front of some tanks, climbing on them and annoying them, then going away unharmed?

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah before I saw the full video I just assumed they ran him the fuck over.

[-] stepan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 weeks ago

It says Log in to watch :k

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 4 weeks ago

Interesting, maybe that's a region thing I don't get that.

Here it is on YouTube though

https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk

[+] stepan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 weeks ago

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[+] AmidFuror@fedia.io -18 points 4 weeks ago

At least the CCP is open to criticism and debate about their actions back then.

If you go to Tiananmen today, you will see and hear a lot of discussion of this troubling time in China's recent history. Sure, sometimes the debate about one party authoritarian rule vs the colonial nature of Western-style democracy can get heated, but there are police around in clearly marked uniforms to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. Never again!

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

This, folks, is CCP propaganda.

Edit: I got whooshed, lemmy.ml has me on high alert

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

it's obviously humor

[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 weeks ago

Check your carbon monoxide detector

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

At least the CCP is open to criticism and debate about their actions back then.

this is hilarious

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 4 weeks ago

I thought the reference to clearly marked police was the icing on the cake, but people may not have read that far.

I don't think anyone who has been to Tiananmen Square can do anything but laugh at my comment.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

your humor flew right below their radars

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 4 weeks ago

Can't win them all.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

At least the CCP is open to criticism and debate about their actions back then. If you go to Tiananmen today, you will see and hear a lot of discussion of this troubling time in China’s recent history.

Yes, that's one of the CCP's best qualities, to be sure. It's so rare to see a government actively encourage their citizens to discuss such major events,

[-] ealoe@ani.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

So many people down voting you can't spot the obvious sarcasm. Well done haha

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