I don't like Joe Biden, I'll never forget the Neoliberal bullshit he did with the Republicans in the 90s we are still suffering from further eviscerating the safetynet to the draconian war on people suffering addiction. He's one of the OG former opposition party members the Reagan Revolution convinced to take the bigger bribe checks from Wall Street than Unions could ever match, today's neoliberal(D) party.

That said, I voted for him in the last election, and I will again out of harm reduction. He has improved on policy, but l even if he didn't, the American people do not get a vote on whether or not to elect a senile President this cycle.

You can have any President you like, as long as he's senile. If you vote, we'll get a senile President. If you don't, we'll get a senile President.

The question is whether you want senile and gleefully cruel(R), or just senile(D). I'll take just senile.

I am not going to vote for Joe Biden. I am going to vote for the Biden Administration. They can "Weekend at Bernie's" the old man for all I care.

Biden shit the bed and should fuck off. But I’d vote for his corpse over any filthy republican traitor.

So the man has a stutter, and he's old, what ever. All I can do is cast my single vote. Last time, I voted against Trump, and honestly, even after the debate, I'll cast my vote this time for Biden.

I'd much rather cast my vote for Hakeem Jeffries, or Shift, or Bernie, or a dozen other people who aren't an option.

Thing is, I'm going to cast my vote in Cook county IL, so it literally won't matter. IL is going blue no matter what, and I feel like my participation is merely token.

I wish I could do more, I want to scream at clouds about what is happening to the country, and it doesn't matter.

Saw a stat that says Trump is 65% to win, and want to physically grab people and shake them, but what would it matter?

Had I walked into that debate blind, not knowing who those people are, what the "facts" and the facts are, I'd have thought, that Biden guy seems weak and befuddled, and boy that Trump is sure a confident leader. It made me feel sick.

As I told my mother today, I don't have kids, I live in the midwest, have a good job with a big stable company, truth is, even a second Trump term won't effect me that much. I can just sit back, enjoy my 30 so years left, and watch the world burn, but damn it, I have empathy for others, and there are many, many people whose lives and livelihood are going to be seriously impacted, and that bothers me.

This Biden protection is crazy. we need a candidate who actually stands a chance against Trump. this is insane. It's 2016 all over again.

raspy voice

The gaslighting will continue until morale improves.

People aren't even giving him crediting for beating Medicare!

/s

In all seriousness though, I just can't understand how someone can watch the 2020 debate and 2024 debate, and say the only thing wrong with Biden was his voice...

Like, he wasn't great in 2020, but 2024 made it sound like Obama in comparison.

RBG, Feinstein, now Biden. Selfish geriatric boomers should learn when to retire.

It’s good to see common sense in here. While Biden did not make a good show- the fact remains that he is up against a convicted felon and a fascist traitor to his country.

I’m glad to see reason in most of the responses.

most important thing is that he can still use his arm to sign legislation. that's all you need him for. the actual deal is the cabinet. that's what you're voting for.

too bad most people don't think about that, and fuck the dnc for putting the country in this situation.

No. Just no, dude. 64% of Democrats thought he was too old to run, and the party didn't even hold a primary. Then he walks out for his first debate and gives an incoherent performance that completely validates everyone's fears about his age, and you want to play it off with a, "bUt HeR eMaiLs!" meme? Screw that. We shouldn't be trying to convince people they didn't see what they saw, we should be figuring out how to get him off the fucking ticket.

Sure, let's all pretend the problem was his voice. Ignoring all problems will do wonders in november.

We should all be screaming at the top of our lungs for Biden to drop out now. Fast. Throw in Newsom or Whitmer. I'll vote for either, doesn't matter.

This is a no brainer, and no loss. Either they do it which would be great, or we're stuck with biden anyway, who now looks to be much worse off against trump.

Everyone should be telling biden to drop out. Everyone everyone everyone. And loudly.

Full senile moment = "raspy voice"

Biden apologists are gonna be the reason Trump gets elected.

This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.

The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.

I have no faith in the future and only pray death is swift and merciful. I will vote Biden in hopes of delaying the inevitable another four years.

I was hoping that the Right's march into fascism was going to be the call to action that Americans needed to abandon them and push the country into being a proper developed nation....

Instead, people go along with it to own the libs, and the privileged who know better have the resources to stamp their foot and wait for a savior they should know will never come.

It wasn’t so much the voice that was the problem, it’s that his answers were often bad and totally incoherent.

If he was clear and concise, I’d deal with the raspy voice.

Except he didn't just have a raspy voice. He was mixing up words, rambling, even struggling to put full sentences together at points. And when he wasn't talking he looked to be spacing out at times, just trying to hold it together at others. His performance was as if he was fighting a very high fever, a migraine, and/or was trying not to puke the entire debate. I totally believe reports that he had a minor illness and was having an off day as a result, but unless he had something like the flu (in which case he wouldn't have been allowed on stage, certainly not that close to Trump) it would be completely reasonable to expect him to perform much better even while sick.

I think that matters to voters, because as president you don't get to take a sick day; shit goes down and you need to be there for it. Maybe he's not too old to be president on days when he's feeling well, but I think a lot of viewers last night thought he looked completely incapable of handling any kind of sudden crisis in his condition last night.

Obligatory: assuming he's still the nominee I'm voting for Biden in November anyway because all the alternatives suck more.