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[-] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 6 days ago

Teachers can make this backfire by teaching kids about how Jesus said, among other things:

  • Rich people don't go to heaven
  • Jesus's answer to religious people not wanting to see things was for the people complaining to pluck out their eyes.
  • How Jesus told his followers to sell their shit and give it to the poor.

All things republicans hate because it goes against their ideals. Also they can talk about how in Acts it says Christians lived communally or just read James 5:1-6 verbatim.

But I guarantee the schools will force their teachers only to read parts of the bible that the state demand, because it's not about Christianity, it's about using religion to control people.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Teach them the story of Lot and his daughters, let them go home and ask their parents about it.

[-] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

America was founded on the principle of no official state religion and has fought against it ever since.

[-] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago

You've not fought against it very well, have you?

  • You have school "voucher" schemes for religious schools, which do shit like teach kids that Evolution is wrong because of the bible.
  • You added "In God we Trust" do your money and added "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance in the 1950s (The pledge, with or without it, is in itself a form of state worship).
  • You have had presidents (Reagan, Bush II) openly promote the idea that America is a Christian state through historical falsehoods.
  • One of the most powerful factions in your government are American Evangelicals who have used their power to promote religious based laws, especially against women and minorities.
  • Every President in recent times has had to show themselves to be openly Christian, with "not being christian (enough)" being a common attack strategy.

And that's just Christianity, if I was going to go into how you worship the state...

  • You have Four Faces of Presidents carved on a literal sacred mountain.
  • You make your kids pledge allegiance to the state every morning (I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands).
  • You have two (2) congress funded art pieces that depict George Washington as a God (Washington Enthroned and The Apotheosis of Washington), the latter of which is in the oculus of the Rotunda at Congress for everyone to see.
  • The Lincoln Memorial is straight up designed like a Greco-Roman Temple.
  • You have, as a social norm, displaying your flag outside your house.

How is that not going to be interpreted as "religious"?

Now, I know someone is going to be all "lol aren't you from the uk where you worship the royal family" well guess fucking what:

  1. Barely anyone in the UK worships the royals, especially where I'm from (Scotland) and the people who do even in England are considered weird. Our relationship with the Royals as a country is usually one of aggressive irreverence. My family's nicknames for the king includes "The Jug Eared Dwarf", "Chuckie III" and "Tearlach an Chluas".
  2. Despite having two (2) established churches (Church of England and Church of Scotland), non religious people make up the majority and the UK is aggressively secular.
  3. Despite the established religion and having the (in practice) head of state also be the (in practice) head of the Church, none of our politicians try and use religion to justify their bullshit and those who do are considered wankers.

America, in the eyes of most of the world, is aggressively religious, not just in terms of christianity but also in worship of the state.

[-] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Death by a thousand cuts kills us all.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Also, who says it's the christian bible 😁 ?

[-] AncientMariner@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What they failed to realise is teachers can have a unique ability to make kids hate a subject.

If you force them to do it, they can do it really badly without it being obvious.

I can imagine reading the Bible word for for in monotone from day 1 won't be a good experience.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Just read only the parts about incest and rape and waiting for all the parents to complain

[-] dhcmrlchtdj__@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

And this is the same cunt that was blaming "the radical left" for "politicizing" the death of a child under his care. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/23/us/oklahoma-nonbinary-student-superintendent.html

[-] JohnOliver@feddit.dk 7 points 6 days ago

'Teach Bible'... only churches should 'teach bible' and nobody should be forced to go to church.

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people?

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people

Well historically Christian denominations have been quite pushy to say the least.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

School teachers, complying with letter of the law: "Bible says there was flood. Science shows there wasn't. Bible says diseases appeared as result of sin. Science shows diseases existed long before humans."

[-] x4740N@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

Reason number * I'm glad I don't live I'm america

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

No way this isn't struck down. It's got to just be a political signaling play.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

They want it to go to SCOTUS so SCOTUS can (and probably will) make it legal.

[-] 01011@monero.town 4 points 6 days ago

If more people actually read the Bible there would probably be fewer xtians.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How can you teach Bible? Which historical happening in Israel influenced what part, which pagan deity Beelzebub was, etc?

[-] wwaxen@lemmy.world 160 points 1 week ago

Time for malicious compliance: "Kids, today we're talking about two girls got their dad drunk and raped him to get pregnant.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago

They'll have to be more creative, because the demand is for teachers to tell kids about the Bible's place in U.S. history.

So I think teaching them about this might be more appropriate: https://www.npr.org/2018/12/09/674995075/slave-bible-from-the-1800s-omitted-key-passages-that-could-incite-rebellion

They might also teach about this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago

Or how about how the bible was used as an excuse to try to keep Americans dumb and ignorant. An excellent example of exactly where the Bible fits into American history.

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[-] zetafish@fedia.io 97 points 1 week ago

Some neighboring states that aren't christo-fascist are about to get some really good teachers. Welcome to Colorado!

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[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

So I have friends in Texas who have lost their license for one reason or another. This has a wider range of effect than most realize. When applying for ANY other state licensing, in any other industry, the fact that your teaching license was revoked, no matter what the reason was (it won't say why on reports) it's a mark against you when applying for others. All they see is oh this person HAD a state license and it got revoked so, maybe we shouldn't grant this other one.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

It's plainly illegal, and I'm sure the goal is for SCOTUS to take it up and make it legal.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

It’s plainly illegal

SCOTUS will just ignore any precedents and give the states the right to do what they want.

We’ve already seen this playbook in action.

We’ve been fools for relying on precedent.

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 57 points 1 week ago

Reading the Memorandum, it doesn't specify what Bible is to be used. Perhaps malicious compliance uses a "alternative" version?

Also found this from the Satanic Temple (who hopefully is on top of this) -

If a public school permits the distribution of religious materials to the student body, they have opened a limited public forum and are obligated to allow religious materials from other faiths. This principle applies to other forms of school-sponsored religious expression as well.

Also funny how these hypocrites go on and on about indoctrination, and then want to indoctrinate every kid in the state by law.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

They are just worried the other group will get to do it before they do

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

The goal is, here, to have an accurate view of American history

By teaching bronze age fairy tales set in the Middle East.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Surely this could backfire in so many hilarious ways?

  • Teach the parts that conservatives don't do, and teach your class to call out injustice everywhere.
  • Teach the bible in Aramaic or Ancient Hebrew, and give the kids 30 mins of study time to learn whatever they want from it.
  • Use it as an exercise to teach that many parts were written thousands of years ago, and doesn't have current medical or societal advancements, so that many parts might be up to interpretation.
  • Compare it to Islam, Judaism, and other sects of Christianity - and teach that they're basically the same thing and that everyone should get along.
  • Reference that the pope said years ago that even nonbelievers that led a good life would be offered a seat in heaven, so be nice and it'll all be fine.
[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

Oh I don't know that I would make the claim that major world religions are all about people getting along. I'd say we can find some parts that are much less friendly than that.

Why don't we go back to Genesis. Lot is an exciting character, and tells us a lot about God's character. And then it gets creepy too.

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago

The funny thing is that a basic understanding of the Bible is actually important for making sense of American history - the people making that history were strongly influenced by the Bible and so unless you know at least the major "plot points", their actions (and a lot of literature) won't make much sense.

With that said, I don't trust Oklahoma to teach about the Bible in a manner appropriate for historical analysis rather than religious dominance.

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[-] zazilicious@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

I'm so fucking tired of the US. Shit just always seems to get worse, and for every little victory, we take another huge leap towards a fascist theocracy.

[-] dsco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

I like to tell myself that these are the death throes of a dying ideology.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Oh yes, one way or the other. Things are certainly crashing, and the question is what will happen in the aftermath.

[-] zazilicious@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I really hope you're right...

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