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Most medical students at Johns Hopkins University will no longer pay tuition thanks to a $1 billion gift from Bloomberg Philanthropies announced Monday.

Starting in the fall, the donation will cover full tuition for medical students from families earning less than $300,000. Living expenses and fees will be covered for students from families who earn up to $175,000.

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[-] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 269 points 1 month ago

Uplifting: this is objectively a ton of good done for these students

Dystopian: this money was earned by the theft of value produced by working class labor and throwing a few breadcrumbs of it back into the system and acting like it’s some great pure good is pure evil and people will lap it up like dogs

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 126 points 1 month ago

Yeah. Bloomberg and the other billionaires should be taxed enough so that we can fund this and other social programs for everyone.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Yes I hate it when the ultra rich decide to create a handful of "winners" leaving 99.9% of us still fucked. Will this make my future healthcare more affordable? Nope it just makes a small number of doctors wealthier.

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[-] snooggums@midwest.social 70 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Medical education could have been free this whole time through taxes but instead public funding of secondary education was gutted instead of expanded so rich fucks like Bloomburg could keep more money for themselves.

So even worse!

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

My state essentially made nursing school free along with some other high demand positions in high demand fields but it's just for community colleges so you'd still have to pay for medical school.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago

Even more negative outlook:

The world is dying and fascism is rising and you spend a billion dollars on doctors not graduating with debt? They're guaranteed quality employment! It's the goddamn Dark Ages residency workload that depresses them!

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Yup. Every time there's a feel-good story like, "a corporate donor spent $20,000 so a dozen orphans didn't have to be fed into the Orphan Crushing Machine" the media never questions why the Orphan Crushing Machine needs to exist in the first place.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

Rich people like to talk about philanthropy and charity being very good, and sometimes they speak as though the act of giving is virtuous and transformative for the person doing the giving. I agree with that, at least, but I think it's pretty fucked up that they perpetuate systems that both enable and require acts of charity. Kindness and charity would still necessary and good in a more equal world, but more people would have access to it if there were less wealth hoarding.

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[-] lemmy_99c4zb3e3@reddthat.com 91 points 1 month ago

Education should be free! I'm glad I was born in Europe and don't have to worry about health care and education fees.

[-] Carvex@lemmy.world 62 points 1 month ago

Must be nice to have your taxes pay for something useful instead of guns and war like us.

[-] lemmy_99c4zb3e3@reddthat.com 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A powerful army is also very important. Europe is practically disarmed. We woke up when Putin attacked Ukraine. The United States must, remain strong. China is sharpening its teeth on Taiwan, Putin has gone mad. Other Nato countries should increase defense spendings.

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

The US will keep paying to protect NATO countries so we can fight wars there instead of here.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago
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[-] Liz@midwest.social 10 points 1 month ago

Our military spending is not preventing us from having free college or free healthcare. Both would save us money if we switched to 100% government funded systems. No amount of military spending is preventing us from saving money.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 9 points 1 month ago

Those can also be useful, the problem is we're choosing not to do both.

[-] lemmy_99c4zb3e3@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It used to be free in Australia but then after the politicians all got their free education they decided the country couldn't afford it anymore.

To be fair the new system is still pretty reasonable but it used to be totally free.

[-] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ahhh, boomers. They got their uni education for the price of a McChicken and still ended up as some of the dumbest and most selfish motherfuckers on the planet.

[-] HogsTooth@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

The original Hippocratic Oath made you swear not to charge to teach people about medicine.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago
[-] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

The Oath was rewritten in 1964 by Dr. Louis Lasagna

I nearly died when I read Dr. Lasagna

[-] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

He's sort of a cheesy guy on the surface but he has layers.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 1 month ago

It also made you promise not to do surgery and medical knowledge revolved around balancing bile.

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[-] toast@retrolemmy.com 26 points 1 month ago

With a billion dollars, I'd just buy enough congressman to make university free for everyone. They're not even that expensive

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

He did try to buy an election already.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

That's where he fucked up, it's so much cheaper to timeshare a politician that to be one.

[-] toast@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 month ago

True, true. Funny how it's so much cheaper to own an elected official than it is to be one

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[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

It says starting in the fall it will be free, but how long does 1 billion last? How many years will they be able to do this for now?

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Endowments aim to achieve perpetual existence by only spending dividends from investments. Assume growth of 8% of a billion means they can spend 80 million dollars a year without shrinking the endowment.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

And that really highlights the absolute absurdity of billionaires existing at all

😃

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The 4% rule can fail during some cycles, an 8% withdrawal would have numerous failure rates.

You'd have to be willing to adjust heavily during downturns, probably yearly. Adjusting like that could cause uncertainty and make it difficult to apply for all students.

3.5% over an extended period had no failures on any cycle.

The 3.5% was looking at very early retirement, such as 35/40yr old.

Edit: just want to add, those failures on the 4% were small. It was like if you started the cycle on 1 of 2 months many years ago and made no changes when shit got very bad, it would fail. The majority of the time you end up with vastly more money. But also past performance doesn't guarantee future performance so who knows, but there is some risk.

[-] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

The operating expenses will show a sudden and totally coincidental billion dollar increase in 2024, and tuition will be collected as usual in 2025.

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[-] evatronic@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

The Internet says that the total cost for a degree from Johns Hopkins medical student per year is $64,665. In addition, various indirect costs like books, housing, healthcare, various fees, living expenses, and so on, bring that same estimate up to around $105,000 annually.

$1,000,000,000 invested in a stupid boring index fund at an estimated 4% return yields $40,000,000 in interest alone, or, using the above numbers, enough for 380(.95) students each year.

Based on this quick page from their own website: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/education-programs/md-program/our-students/class-statistics

Wherein they accept just 266 students, it could last for a very long time.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 10 points 1 month ago

Big doomer comment section

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[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I am choosing to only see the uplifting stuff here and rejecting the bad.

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 5 points 1 month ago

Must be nice being elite and to get free education haha

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