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"So, we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye,” Biden said.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

We’re done talking about the debate because we’re all talking about the assassination attempt

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[-] MinorLaceration@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

This article is a week old.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago
[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Now we can finally move on to the part where he loses in a landslide and find some way to blame the left. Right?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

As if they even need a reason. They'll just say "the left and young people didn't turn out to vote for our perfect candidate and that's the only reason why we lost" (probably only slightly paraphrasing) whether any facts support it or not.

When Democrats win, it's because of "moderates and independents" (read: pro-corporate Zionist right wing Democrats) doing everything perfectly.

When Democrats lose, it's that monstrously powerful left wing (who shouldn't get any policy concessions because there's so few of them that they have no bearing on election results) and those lazy millennial and Gen Z people (who should get no policy concessions to encourage them to vote because they won't vote) ruining it for "the adults in the room" 🙄

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Find me a poll that shows Biden losing by more than the margin of error. If the demographic data shows 18 to 20-somethings supporting Trump, it doesn't count.

Do that, and I'll consider the possibility that Biden isn't likely to win.

Edit: someone replied with a transcription of a poll, refused to link it, insulted me, linked an entirely different page, and then wrote an entire essay instead of just giving me the link. My criteria for evidence for this claim that Biden is probably going to lose is incredibly low, and a person has failed to fulfill it for most of a day and counting. I invite everyone to shut the fuck up because it's clearly bullshit. Biden isn't losing, and I won't change my mind unless I have even half-descent evidence of it.

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Jun 28 - July 2

YouGov: Trump 44%, Biden 40% N=2,815 LV

NY times: Trump: 42%, Biden 37% N= 1,532 LV

MOE: < 3% for both polls

If the demographic data shows 18 to 20-somethings supporting Trump, it doesn't count.

Why focus on a group that doesn't vote? Polls show Biden ahead in that demographic though...so these count?

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago

I can't verify this. The closest I could find is "who do you think won the debate, regardless of who you support?" https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2024/06/28/2bc47/2

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

You're telling me that with Google you couldn't find the results of the poll having who conducted it and the dates? Highly doubtful.

Here's an aggregated list of all polls with links.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago

"Hey, I can't find this."

"Finding it is so easy, look!" [Links to a different thing instead]

At this point, I'm assuming that you made it up and that's why you didn't send me a link.

As for what you did link, the average shows Trump less than 2% ahead, and I don't see an easy breakdown of demographic information. (Not surprising, given that it's an aggregation of many polls, but it still doesn't meet my minimum specifications.) Furthermore, the data points being averaged are all over the place. As I said before, the polls showing Biden behind a significant ammount show younger voters favoring Trump, which strikes me as an obvious indicator of failure in the methodology. If this failure in methods is as pervasive as I suspect, then the average is going to skew far in Trump's favor. But again, I have no way of verifying that.

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It's literally on that page. Great job actually looking though!

If you don't see a breakdown, again it's because you didn't look. Every poll has a link to it.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

And yet you failed to provide it. Again.

Why would I go on a wild goose chase to find something that I'm pretty sure you're making up?

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

No, you won't. You've ignored the polling up to now, why would me posting it make it visible to you suddenly?

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

You don't understand how evidence and implications work, do you?

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't understand how cherry picking data and echo chambers work, do you?

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

Going full mask off?

It’s obvious that bullseye in this case doesn’t mean “we should shoot him”.

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Presidents are allowed to assassinate people now, did you not hear that?

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

He, also, can direct people to kill US citizens without concern to the Bill of Rights. Now it may be that it's illegal for the person to carry out the order, but:

  • It would be a "Constitutional" order (see SCOTUS decision).
  • Presidents can issue pardons for federal offenses.

His right to do as he pleases is absolute and the intentions cannot be considered.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Maybe you are Joe, but you and I are not we.

Now we’re talking about how you think we’re done talking about the debate.

For fucks sake, he and his campaign team are going to gaffe our way into a fascist dictatorship.

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 month ago

Isn't he still planning on doing the debate in September?

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We closed our ears, ignored everyone for a dozen days, and did absolutely nothing to address the issue.

Now the problem is magically fixed - Blue MAGA

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 2 points 1 month ago

Cool. Can we also be done talking about how you're not as bad as the Toupee? I'd like to hear why you specifically are the best option, not just the less bad one.

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