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you're erasing both the white supremacy of female-dominated english online culture, and the consumerism of male-dominated english online culture
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has anyone noticed that women be shopping
Clearly I'm painting the male side in the negative here, and not the female side
Have you never heard of femcels before? I mean I know it's just riffing on male dominated culture, but there is a lot of weird shit floating around chronically online female spaces.
I don’t know if they’d be consider femcels, but there’s also a contingent of women who’d I compared to MRA/pick up artists. Basically the same entitlement, racism, sexism/classism (against other women and men they deem lower class), etc. Essentially, like the top percentile of the MRA guys, they do get laid and money, but they also hate everyone they come in contact with
They are not femcels, though there is some shared rhetoric. Femcels are the 'nice guy' phenomena, but for women. They essentially believe that men only go for 'sluts' (who are almost always described in terms of blackness), and that all the 'good men' are already married. That being said, there is a distinct hint more at misogyny than misandry (because, you know, everything gets processed through the overarching lens of patriarchy).
My point isn"t that patriarchy doesn't exist, it's that women online will do equally fucked things as men, but again, it is through the lens of patriarchy and white supremacy.
femcels are nowhere near as large as reddit or 4chan
They were on Reddit and 4chan.
But really they were 'all over' Tumblr when I was there like a decade ago. They certainly aren't as ubiquitous or as famous as the male variety, so probably not ever as large, and certainly not as large as the male ones are now. My guess is most of them are anti-trans now.
Fair enough, the anti-trans stuff is pretty ubiquitous in chronically online female spaces now, so idk if it's 'gotten better' so much as 'changed character'.
Hence the word "dominated" in my statement
That's a big reason why I don't bother with outside of hexbear anymore. Do you really want to engage with white supremacists?
Same, even going on redlib just to read a reddit post has got me running back here.
I feel like calling fanfics consumerism ignores the very weird and subversive aspects of fanfiction that can manifest. Obviously doesn't always but that combined with the "this is what the female side is" smacks a little too much of the "women are such stupid consumerists XD" mindset people use to shit on "pumpkin spice girls" or just women who buy a thing. I doubt you intended that and I don't blame you but I hope you'll consider it in the future
media/art consumerism is way more likely to be cool than lots of other forms of consumerism imo
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it is the decline of social life from being into having, and having into merely appearing.
it is the obfuscation of the past and the implosion of the future into an undifferentiated mass, a never-ending present.
it is play in they phone, eat hot chip, and lie.
I'm so used to the horrible male dominated side, but honestly I find the consumerist obsessed one incredibly grating. I can't stand the tone and the completely unquestioning way that people will just spend ridiculous amounts of money on meaningless garbage (swifties and kpop stans especially, literally donating their money to people that are already unimaginably wealthy just so they chart better).
But that consumerist stuff also happens on the male dominated side too, any kind of space that attracts collectors and rich lonely dudes also has that behavior.
Can you expand on how white dudes interact with socially conscious hip hop? I feel like that type of person intersects more with hipster lib internet spaces rather than fascist internet spaces, usually there's less overlaps with gaming (general gaming at least). I think there still totally are a lot of weird behaviors in that crowd though, and they're often just as bad as the ones with no self awareness.
Sidenote: Gen Z slang, or just the way chronically online people talk, is sometimes ridiculous and my personal pet peeve. "The existential horror of," "and that's just so important to me," "and I-," etc. I am not trying to say that the way my generation talks is dumb, I use a lot of the slang all the time and I have no issue with language evolving. But all those phrases add absolutely nothing to the messages they're attached to, and have just become the new version of millenials saying "adulting" or "heckin chonker."
millenials saying "adulting" or "heckin chonker."
"heckin chonker" and "doggo" were gen Z/cusp too
Yeah it's all one big bucket of lingo that people that are very online use, but I think as it became more self aware it stepped away from the overtly silly ones and more into the trite ones that I associate with Gen Z.
I feel like that type of person intersects more with hipster lib internet spaces rather than fascist internet spaces
I'm using the term white supremacy literally. As in somebody who perceives Western/white culture and people to be superior. They don't necessarily have to be politically active in pushing their agenda to be a supremacist unlike many fascist spaces
I would really like people not to lump consumerism worshipping fandom with generalized fandom
Sorry, I can get what you're pointing to with the other things, even if it's phrased a bit vaguely, but you're telling me that socially conscious hip hop is associated with chronically online male Anglo white supremacy?
In any case y'know I don't think you can really be so binary.
It may be just be me but me and a friend have noticed there seems to be a sort of unique emphasis on poverty porn struggle romanticization that a lot of white people do with hip hop music from black artists that they don't/do less with artists of other races
most males aren't white
Most English speaking ones on American websites are
so don't use those? seems simple
Hexbear is mostly white. So maybe don't use it.
I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid those spaces, I was starting a discussion topic 💀
I genuinely don’t even know what girls like outside of Taylor Swift, EDM raves, youtube makeup drama, and Apple products. If they like games or anime, they don’t say anything and never bring them up, and I don’t blame them.
is this a joke
No. I’m basing my knowledge off the people I know lol. My jobs have always leaned female which is why I feel clueless despite the large sample size
well i can promise you women have much more varied interests than Taylor Swift and youtube makeup drama hahah. no hard feelings but that view feels a little two-dimensional, maybe it's not the women around you but the interactions you're having with them giving you that impression?
I've had plenty of experience being around girls who openly like anime, as well as for that matter being a girl who openly likes anime. What I can say is that most girls who like anime that I've met in person have liked broadly the same anime as the boys who like anime that I've met in person, stuff like Attack on Titan, Delicious in Dungeon, Spy x Family, Love is War, One Punch Man, and Fullmetal Alchemist — the latter I believe is actually a bit more popular with girls than boys! One girl I took a class with was really into Lupin III, too, which I found somewhat striking.
But yeah, as a whole, popular anime is popular in general. That while men and women tend to approach media with different life perspectives, this doesn't necessarily mean that men and women enjoy entirely different media. I do however think that the magical girl genre save Madoka Magica tends to lean more to girls than to boys, like I've seen girls with Cardcaptor merch, and one girl I know even has a Sailor Moon wallet, but I also think a lot of boys would be ashamed to admit they're really into Precure. (Arienaaai!)
Of my female relatives who openly like anime, one cousin likes Evangelion and Lain, the other cousin likes Ghibli movies and the Summer Wars film, and my boomer mom likes broadly the same anime as I do: a lot of your standard CGDCT and iyashikei as well as most things KyoAni, and stuff like Girls & Panzer, Konosuba, Aggretsuko, Ranma 1/2, Komi Can't Communicate, Sakura Quest, Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Bebop, My Master Has No Tail, and a lot of the broadly popular things already mentioned, i tak dalee i tak dalee.
However I will say that I think that our anime preferences are maybe a bit different from a lot of girls. CGDCT in particular can be a bit male-gaze-y or otherwise unsavory at points, and while a lot of girls do have a high tolerance for that, a lot of girls do not, and there's nothing wrong with that. In other words, for all of the girls who can see themselves and their high school days in K-On and really like the show and make fan-art and buy merch or whatever, there is also a number of girls who are completely turned off by stuff like the Sawako costume scenes and want nothing to do with it. So I think that CGDCT can be a more divisive and case-by-case sort of genre with regard to gender, this is just my impression.
So... Yeah. You can find girls and women who are into basically anything. Girls liking anime is not at all an unusual thing. This fact should be apparent from the large amount of anime targeted specifically at girls and women.
Edit: I just wanna quickly recommend the female anime YouTubers Noralities and Red Bard, and I also want to say that I probably wouldn't have gotten into anime if I weren't already into Equestria Girls, this My Little Pony spinoff where the characters are all humans. Now granted I was still laboring under the assumption that I was a boy at the time, but I was pretty blatantly channeling my repressed feminine aspirations through a "girly" interest, so, y'know, there's that. Incidentally anime helped me realize I was a girl, thanks to a K-On inspired dream, so that's fun.
Most of the people I've known who were into anime were women, some of them are even anime artists. In the 00s, I only knew about anime because a girlfriend of mine (platonic) was into it and tried to get me into it and I thought it was mostly something that only interested other girls. I was aware of Sailor Moon and knew girls who had posters of it in their rooms, but never knew any males who admitted to liking it so hearing that anime is thought of as a guy thing is still strange to me.
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