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submitted 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) by frank@sopuli.xyz to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hi all!

We're very excited to move to Denmark soon as lifelong Americans. I have a good job lined up, and we're set on a place to live for a while.

Any advice from people who have done it, looked it up, had friends who have done it, etc? Just in general :)

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[-] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

It's worth it. I'm almost two years in Germany. Wouldn't move back for a million dollars (although at 3 I could be bought). Work on the local language, volunteer or other community involvement activities, treat it like the new home it is. We're fortunate to be able to move to a new country, try to be a part of improving it and earning your spot there. I'm even more fortunate to be white, male, straight etc - assuming you're at least some of those things, do your best to counter the anti-immigration fear mongering that comes out of the political right. It effects you now, but more importantly it's ramping up and it'll effect people less fortunate far worse.

Hope you love it and welcome to Europe.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 hours ago

Don't bring a truck or guns with you. Change some dollars for euros. Remember that the US has an insane tax system that follows you abroad and you still have to file taxes in the US in addition to the country you live in.

[-] Red5@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Those Euros will not be a lot of use in Denmark, a country outside of the Eurozone.

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 18 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

First of all, a practical item that people sometimes forget: traffic laws are different in every country. Even if your driver's license is valid in other countries, take a moment to read up on traffic rules.

If you live in a city, give public transport a serious consideration. It's not for everybody and not every place has good connections, but you'd be surprised how little you need a car if you live in an area well-served by public transport.

As with any foreign country, you'll do well to learn the language. Written Danish probably isn't too difficult to learn when you already know English (they share a heritage after all) but spoken Danish is quite peculiar. You'll probably get by with just English just fine, but most people will prefer to speak their native language.

What I've heard from family moving to Denmark: check and double check your tax information and registration. The bureaucratic process can take a while, even when moving within the Schengen zone. Also: America has some weird laws where you need to pay taxes regardless of if you live there or not, as long as you're a citizen. Make sure you know how much taxes you need to pay to what government! You generally don't need to pay tax in both countries unless you make a boatload of money but it can't hurt to check.

Speaking of, you'll pay a lot of taxes. You get a lot in return, but make sure you know what your net income is going to be like and what taxes are hiding around the corner. The amazing Danish welfare state needs to be funded somehow!

If you live near any borders (European definition of "near"), check any visas you may have for what you're allowed to do. Some visas allow you to move freely within a single country but not leave it for x amount of days consecutively/in a year, for instance. Denmark is actually one of the few countries with border checks (Germany too these days).

What I've heard from other Americans visiting Europe: it's smaller than you think and everything seems closer than you think. That's very nice when it comes to stuff like grocery stores, but some people feel a little claustrophobic because of the lack of free, open space.

Make sure your credit card is set to allow for international payments, unless you already have your money in a Danish bank account. You don't want to arrive and find out you can't pay for anything.

Get yourself a local SIM card. It's probably a lot cheaper than carrying your American number in general, but roaming charges between the US and the EU are Not Fun.

Most Danes speak English well, in my experience. However, don't let that fool you into thinking they share the same cultural norms. Things common in some American subcultures (calling everyone "dear", saying stuff like "we should hang out some time" without actually meaning it) can cause some humorous/awkward interactions when misinterpreted. Knowing the words isn't the same as knowing what you actually mean!

Prepare to do a lot of currency conversions in your head. You can get tricked into spending more money than you thought if you don't know what amount of DDK translates to USD. 1 USD is about 6.8 DDK, so yeah, good luck with that, multiply by seven and subtract a bit I guess?

Stores in Denmark will often show prices including tax, so don't do too much mental math. You generally don't need to apply the 25% VAT on listed prices unless you're buying business to business.

Based on experience from expats: immerse yourself into the local culture and language. Making connections with strangers is hard, likely harder than in the US, but you'll end up quite lonely if you only hang out with coworkers and other expats.

Also read up on punctuality expectations. Some cultures expect you to be five minutes to half an hour "late" to an agreed upon time, others expect you to be there much earlier, and then other cultures expect you to arrive right on time. That applies both professionally and socially!

On a similar note, make sure you read about the expectations your coworkers may have of you, culturally. If you work for an American company you may end up with an American style corporate hierarchy, but Danish companies are a lot more egalitarian on average. Not just office wise, but also "only addressing the boss by their first name" wise.

Working overtime may not be appreciated as much, and may even be seen as a bad thing in some contexts (i.e. constantly working after 5PM to finish your work, implying you can't finish in time when you're really trying to show your work ethic or something like that). Work/life balance is important and every country has different standards.

From what I can tell, the Danes are quite strict in not wanting to spend too much of their life working, so don't be that person that brings work into every conversation. As a foreigner, you probably have much more interesting topics to talk about!

I've only head good things about Denmark from people who worked/moved there, so I hope you enjoy your time there!

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Wait, stores display prices in the US without the tax? Wth? That can't be!

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 4 hours ago

If you work for an American company you may end up with an American style corporate hierarchy, but Danish companies are a lot more egalitarian on average. Not just office wise, but also "only addressing the boss by their first name" wise.

That's been a thing in the USA for decades.

It's a bit hard to articulate the difference I've noticed with Americans when talking about work. It's not like America is stuck in the 60s with executive toilets and executive lunches, but office culture definitely seems different.

What probably makes a difference is the difference in management styles.

[-] cralder@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Since you are moving to Denmark: flee! Take a car and drive north to seek refuge in Sweden. Once you make it there you are safe, but you never know, the Danes could invade any minute. Keep driving north until you start seeing reindeer walking around like they own the place. Move into a cabin in the woods and never look back. The Danes can't reach you there.

[-] Ecunis@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago

Getting new friends in Denmark can be difficuelt at first. Many are reserved and needs to thaw up first. Do not expect colleagues to invite you home, if you are ysed to that. However, when people open up it is because they like and respect you. Danes are in general not superficial as Americans often can be. So remember, we are not unfriendly, just different from Americans :) Advise from a 100% Dane.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Lol, and Danes are definitely the most outgoing of the Nordics. I've found Danes to be pretty similar in terms of outgoing-ness to people from New England in the US; unlikely to start conversation with complete strangers, but certainly kind once you have that initial connection.

[-] pmk 39 points 7 hours ago

The danish people will maybe say a lot of things about us swedes, but don't believe the lies.

[-] Ecunis@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago

Do not believe this liar. Danes speak the truth.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Too bad nobody can understand what they are saying

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Euro-fight!

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 hours ago

Plus one for taking language lessons. Even if you don't plan on getting fluent, it will help you settle in a lot more

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 hours ago

Depending on where you'll live exactly, look up the local train and bus operator. If you're in a city, chances are, you won't even need a car most of the time.

Also get ready to install a different suite of apps. WhatsApp is big in europe, although Signal is obviously preferable when possible.

[-] targetx@programming.dev 14 points 7 hours ago

You could finally visit the only real Legoland in Billund of course!

[-] Humana@lemmy.world 52 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Think of other topics and questions than work, Americans care too much about work outside of work.

Switch your phone apps to celsius and start your brain switching ASAP.

Knowing what country or region you're going to would help

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 26 points 9 hours ago

Oh switching to metric is a great idea.

Denmark :)

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

American here, got stationed in Italy for a few years. Learning Celsius was easy with this in mind:

0 freezing
10 cool
20 nice
30 hot
40 sweltering

If you need to do the actual calculation, double the celsius value, subtract the tens digit (i.e. -10%), add 32. For example:

Double it: 20 * 2 = 40
Subtract the tens digit: 40 - 4 = 36
Add 32: 36+32 = 68

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago

Out of curiosity, did you find work in Denmark so that you could move, or is current work sending you over?

[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 31 points 9 hours ago

Do you speak the local language, if not start getting courses now, even if many person are fluent in english, not everyone will want to speak English. (You know the joke about Parisian who don't know English if you start talking with them in English, but would switch to a perfect English if you have a slight foreign accent when speaking french)

Expect that even basic stuff won't work the same way as you're used too. It's already an issue when moving between two European countries, even basic stuff like what you can legally find on a lease or how to get health coverage will drastically change.

In southern Europe people are pretty touchy/tactile and an America would feel sexually harrassed, Nordic Europe is the other way around with pretty distant people where an American would pass for way too touchy/friendly

Learn to ride a bike, and expect to walk way more than in the US, also remember that even though winter are milder, Europe is way far up north than the US

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Pilsner Urquel is a damn fine beer.

[-] PartyPatella@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 hours ago

Hej Frank!

Welcome in advance!

Where are you gonna live? You don't need to specify city, but perhaps approximate destination? Jylland, Fyn, Sjælland? And which part?

Which line of work?

Indeed, try to learn Danish even though it is a ridiculous language. I believe there are even free courses, although I am absolutely sure. Here's a few words to get you started:

Hej/godmorgen/goddav' = hello/good morning/howdy (last word especially in Jutland) Farvel = goodbye Tak = thank you Velbekomme = you are welcome Undskyld = sorry Undskyld mig = excuse me Ingen problem = no worries Jeg hedder Frank = my names is Frank Godt at møde dig = nice to meet you Vi ses/hav det godt = see you/take care Hav en god dag = have a good day

And remember! Free health care! Free schools and education! Although you will pay higher taxes, lol.

Hope you will enjoy! And feel free to ask questions. I live very near Aarhus in Eastern Jutland.

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

Ah this is great! We are doing some Danish, and will continue to learn it. We'll be in Copenhagen, which will make leaning on our English a little easier.

I'm an engineer, and my work will be all in English, which is a great way to start.

I spent ~$8,000 USD on shoulder surgery this year. I can't wait for healthcare lol

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

Plus one for taking language lessons. Even if you don't plan on getting fluent, it will help you settle in a lot more

[-] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 hours ago

Unless work is helping you out, expect to have difficulties opening up bank account in EU due to FATCA. Lots of banks don't want to deal with that, so they'll outright reject Americans.

As others have said, try to learn the language, at least a little. Although I'd say 90% of the population will know English.

Take ferry over to Germany if you want cheaper beer/wine/alc. The Swedes go to Denmark, and Danish go to Germany :).

Q: will you be returning to the US?

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

They are helping set up a bank account, thankfully.

Yeah, for sure we are leaning in and gonna try to learn Danish. Worst case my wife and I have a secret code language to ourselves in the future :)

We don't intend to return, but anything could happen in life

[-] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 21 points 9 hours ago

Including which country could help :)

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 hours ago

Fair enough, moving to Denmark!

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You are welcome! You may visit the danish instance at feddit.dk

Just as Denmark, it is not very large but plenty of people willing to help, mixed with some degree of Danish sarcasm

[-] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 8 points 8 hours ago

I haven't been there, but get a bike!

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago
[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 15 points 9 hours ago

Time to learn a new language, unless you're moving to Ireland or Malta I guess. Tons of people come to Germany and are shocked when not everyone speaks English.

Anyway, I think you'll get better answers if you specify a country. The EU is quite diverse, so I don't think there's a ton of advice that'll be true everywhere in the EU.

[-] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 minute ago

Malta

Maltese is an awesome language!

[-] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 6 points 7 hours ago

Don't bring your gun, also public transport should be good, so using a car might not always be necessary / the best option.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

So, do they just issue you a new gun when the plane lands? Is the ammo the same caliber there, or is it all metric?

[-] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 8 points 5 hours ago

No gun, but an axe. The raiding party's don't fill themselves afterall.

[-] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

Take me with you?

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -2 points 8 hours ago

It'll be tempting, but don't try to drive there.

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