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(CW: institutional-grade milk) Picture of a handful of lima beans and half a piece of toast: https://i.imgur.com/mu2p8mv.jpeg

spoilerAs Americans gather for Thanksgiving feasts, soldiers at Fort Carson, Colorado, are contending with a far less festive reality -- months of insufficient meals, confusing schedules, and limited food options at the base's dining facilities that have ignited widespread frustration among the rank and file.

Dining facilities -- critical for sustaining the health and readiness of troops -- are reportedly offering fewer options, with some meals falling short of basic nutritional standards. Earlier this month, the issue was exemplified by a meal in which soldiers were served a single piece of toast and a handful of lima beans for dinner, according to one soldier stationed there who shared imagery of the meal. Even getting access to those limited rations can be hard, given confusing dining hall schedules and seemingly random closures that make it difficult for many to access hot meals.

Military.com's interviews with eight soldiers and review of photos from Fort Carson facilities found recurring problems. Food runs out quickly, and portions often fall short of the macronutrient requirements needed to sustain soldiers' demanding physical regimens, likely running afoul of service regulations on feeding requirements for troops. Some soldiers reported and shared photos of food that was undercooked or stored at dangerous temperatures.

"This has been a division-wide issue with the [dining facilities] on workdays and kiosks on the weekend," said one soldier stationed at the base, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press. "The people who deal with it the worst are the soldiers who live in the barracks and don't have a car."

The issue is twofold. Troops reported being served food that was either improperly prepared or unavailable by the time they reached the end of the line. Kiosks, intended to replace dining facilities in some circumstances with grab-and-go options, are frequently empty, particularly during peak times when soldiers finish their shifts.

When kiosk shelves are stocked, they're often filled with chips, sugary snacks and other items that soldiers say fall short of the nutritional standards required to maintain physical fitness as demanded by their jobs. Frustration over food issues has prompted some unit leaders to instruct troops to document the issue, capturing photos of the low-quality food or barren shelves to escalate concerns to higher-level leadership, though it's unclear what official complaints have been filed.

"We recognize that we've had some challenges with consistency in the quality of our soldiers' dining experiences at our warrior restaurants and kiosks," Lt. Col. Joseph Payton, a base spokesperson, said in a statement to Military.com. "We're committed to ensuring our soldiers receive quality and healthy meals and can take full advantage of their meal benefit they are entitled to receive."

Payton added that the issue has been brought to brigade-level leadership, which is investigating methods to boost the quality of food options for soldiers.

Fort Carson has 4,600 meal card holders, mostly junior enlisted soldiers who would normally rely on the dining facilities for meals. In most cases, barracks do not have cooking appliances, and soldiers are generally forbidden to have kitchen tools such as hot plates. Other food options, which soldiers would have to pay for, are mostly less healthy fast food restaurants such as Pizza Hut, Dunkin' Donuts and Arby's.

In 2024, the base served food to 591 soldiers on average each day, according to data provided by the service. That number also includes meals purchased and consumed by non-meal card holding troops -- meaning the raw percentage of junior soldiers living on base who use the dining facilities may be in the single digits some days.

Compounding the frustration is the financial strain hunting for alternative food options can cause for troops. Soldiers contribute an average of $460 per month from their Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS), a mandatory deduction that collectively totals approximately $22 million annually at Fort Carson. However, the base's food budget this year was just $5 million. How the remaining funds are allocated remains unclear. A 2022 report from the Government Accountability Office found that the Army does not adequately track how often its food services are used by service members.

Some Army officials have pointed to soldiers using dining facilities less and less in recent years as driving decisions to cut spending. It has produced something of a self-fulfilling prophecy, with less investment in quality food and infrastructure pushing even fewer soldiers to see those food options as viable -- despite automatically paying for that food out of their paychecks.

Soldiers have reported waiting in line for up to 30 minutes at Fort Carson dining facilities, only to be served small portions that fall far short of a full meal. In one instance, a soldier recounted being handed just a small bowl of soup and an apple.

On Hots & Cots, a Yelp-style platform where soldiers review barracks and dining options, complaints about food quality and availability at Fort Carson are significantly higher than at other installations, according to the app's internal data.

However, the issue is not isolated to Fort Carson. Last year, Military.com reported on similar struggles at Fort Cavazos, Texas -- in which junior enlisted soldiers had few options for food as the garrison struggled to juggle a severe shortage of food service workers. Soldiers also frequently report issues with undercooked food or inconsistent dining facility schedules on Reddit and other social media.

Senior officials have often pointed to difficult logistics in mapping out how much food to supply soldiers and getting them quality nutrition. However, it's unclear why those challenges have persisted in the force for years.

"Are we gonna fumble? Yes, but we're learning," Renee Mosher, deputy chief of staff, G4 HQ Army Materiel Command, which oversees logistics for the force, said when asked about food issues at Fort Carson in October at the Association of the United States Army (AUSA) conference in Washington, D.C.

Also, Fort Carson isn't some remote outpost. It's in Colorado Springs, a city of almost 500k people serviced by a major interstate, international airport, and air force base. The most powerful empire on earth can't feed its below minimum-wage soldiers on a base that's next to a Walmart and multiple food wholesalers, despite taking like a quarter of their monthly pay to do so. Big 1904 Russia Energy.

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[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How in the fresh fuck is the world's most expensive (and second most expensive, and third most expensive, if we were to divide it into three countries) military not able to feed a couple hundred dudes across the street from a fucking Walmart?

I went to a protest one time where a comrade rolled up on a bicycle with a baby trailer hitch that was carrying a massive cauldron of noodle and lentil soup that must have fed at least a hundred people. He did that for free! On his own time! How is this difficult when you have a multi-million dollar budget?!

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Normal people would think that they could just buy some food and hire some people to cook it - hell, they wouldn't even have to hire anyone new, they could just get some of the troops they have milling around on the base anyways do it.

This is why us simple folk don't make seven figures optimising the economy. If you just bought food and cooked it, who would profit from that? How would your buddies get their beaks wet on those sweet military contracts?

And then there's the moral hazard. Buying and cooking food could give people the dangerous idea that the government is able to do things. First thing you're cooking a stew to feed your grunts, next thing you could have the unwashed masses shouting at you for healthcare and education and other frivolities that diverts resources from the people who matters.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 10 points 5 days ago

This is why us simple folk don't make seven figures optimising the economy. If you just bought food and cooked it, who would profit from that? How would your buddies get their beaks wet on those sweet military contracts?

It's not good for The Syndicate if people do that. We need to buy eggs for 7 cents on Malta and sell them to our mess halls for 5 cents. Then we'll make a 3.25 cent profit from selling eggs to the Maltese to buy from and a 2.75 cent profit from selling them to us.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 23 points 5 days ago

"Are we gonna fumble? Yes, but we're learning," Renee Mosher, deputy chief of staff, G4 HQ Army Materiel Command, which oversees logistics for the force, said when asked about food issues at Fort Carson in October

Learning what?? To feed a soldier? I feel like this may have been a knowm problem with known solutions for some time now lmao.

"We recognize that we've had some challenges with consistency in the quality of our soldiers' dining experiences at our warrior restaurants and kiosks," Lt. Col. Joseph Payton, a base spokesperson, said in a statement to Military.com.

Getting my bowl of gruel at the warrior restaurant

[-] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 5 days ago

i think they're trying to figure out how to get away with not feeding the soldiers. that's ultimately a hard problem still

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 17 points 5 days ago

Little did Washington know that future generations would see starving and freezing at Valley Forge as aspirational for its cost cutting methods

[-] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 5 days ago

ohh good one, you're right, the US has been trying not to feed/pay their soldiers since its inception!

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

The empire does a lot of performative troop shagging but in reality they hate and despise their goons. Good for the empire that an army doesn't march on its stomach or anything.

[-] Mokey2@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago

Theyre not starving though, theyre just getting fat and cholesterol brained from eating Popeyes every day.

[-] RangeFourHarry@hexbear.net 25 points 6 days ago

Critical support to the US Army in the mission to feed the troops beanis

[-] D61@hexbear.net 16 points 5 days ago

a mandatory deduction that collectively totals approximately $22 million annually at Fort Carson. However, the base's food budget this year was just $5 million. How the remaining funds are allocated remains unclear.

Huh... I wonder how much of Ft. Carson's quartermaster shit is contracted out to private companies these days. I bet that might give some insight.

Also, rat-salute , to Ft. Carson helping to convince lower enlisted to "get the fuck out of the military as soon as you fucking can."

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 14 points 5 days ago

Officer in a 250 year old, globe spanning military: 'we're just silly little beans who have to figure it out one day at a time'

[-] buh@hexbear.net 15 points 5 days ago

Ligma beans

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 16 points 5 days ago

Things an NPC in “Oregon Trail” would tell you.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[-] Mokey2@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is on the same level of omg china collapsing type shit

Something stupid is happening somewhere with a incredibly large stupid organization that its most stupid people are usually tasked with.

Bringing "tHE ArmY only feeDs it trops a hanDful of LIma beAns for rations" in a serious conversation would get you eye rolls and is not productive to understanding the military--- which i think is something you should have a grounded grasp of

If you read this as military good then youre wrong

That being said it's funny that the US military allows so much fast food poison onto their bases. The contradiction is emblematic of America. Also the fact that they recruit all these people but they've largely been brainwashed by their own country into rejecting healthy meals for high sodium slop.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 17 points 5 days ago

That's why I put it in c/slop instead of c/news. I'm not saying that all the troops are going hungry, just that it's funny that some of them are going this hungry in such an ideal spot to feed them. That same problem is endemic to most bases at some level and it's a huge issue for lower enlisted, but not to such a comically corrupt degree.

[-] Mokey2@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago

Sure im reacting to behavior ive seen here in the past as well

[-] jaywalker@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago

I was in the army a long time ago and this actually kind of surprises me. The food was never amazing, but there was always plenty and a lot of at least semi-healthy options. I fucking hated my time in and I can't imagine how much worse it would have been without decent food.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 6 points 5 days ago

An army marches on its... ah darn don't remember the rest of that, I'm sure it's not important

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago

the garrison struggled to juggle a severe shortage of food service workers

lol what the fuck just make some of the other soldiers do the work??

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago

Someone is stealing from that budget. Guaranteed.

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