Zionists craft undeniably brilliant political strategies to achieve their aims
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I don't get it, what's the issue?
Unlike lenin, their goal is the creation & expansion of a genocidal ethno-state - not the seizure of political & economic power by the working class.
Did you stop reading halfway through? Or is it the fact he implies zionists are succesful at achieving their political aims that you disagree with? He's not saying they're leninists or following leninism, he's just giving them an eyecatching title that makes his thoughts of them clear without using a lot of words.
Cause it's stupid. Making a comparison between Zionists and Leninists because they're both good at politics is very unnecessary and makes you look stupid. 'Lenin breathed Ben Gurion breathed OMG BEN GURION IS JUST LIKE LENIN BUT EVIL!'
I don't see the problem with this ,since Israel at one point was a pretend pesudo leftist
David Ben Gurion was smart sadly ,at least this generation of Israelis are filled with dumbasses that will destroy the country
Real communism is when the government does stuff hours
The phrase "Evil Leninists" implies that normal Leninists fight for good so I'll take it.
Yeah I think that is what they were going for but as @Hohsia@hexbear.net said its probably some great man theory shit regardless.
There's no Great Man Theory in the post.
Explaining successful planning to a communist: imagine a Lenin
Sorry, I wasn't listening, can you start over? I was wondering what is to be done
Imagine you have 20 yards of linen...
But what does it cost?
I'm sure this answer will be incredibly simple and brief.
Lots of reactionaries have admired the discipline of Leninist movements sans communism.
A few already mentioned but Rothbard actually called one of his works "what is to be done?" because he thought there should be libertarians with Leninist style organisation.
libertarians with Leninist style organisation.
People took this guy seriously for way too long, this is the person behind MidwesternMarx for any who are unaware
Oh for fuck sake I didn't read the username. Yeah fuck this guy.
MidwesternMarx
This seems familiar but ive forgotten any context. Care to give a rundown?
The other comment more or less sums it up, I would only add that they always displayed a certain amount of chauvinism especially in regards to landback, which if I'm not mistaken they were opposed to because they believed their poor white ancestors in the midwest also had a right to the land or something along those lines. And MidwesternMarx is Eddie Liger's YouTube channel, but they also published articles and featured other authors on the midwestern marx institute website so they were a little more then a YouTuber since they were actually publishing articles, and, now Eddie Liger is an "executive board member" of Jackson Hinkle's party ACP.
Ohhhh yeah thats ringin a few bells
A content creator. He seemed innocent enough at the start but MidwesternMarxist turned out to be a PatSoc (if im not mistaken)
Hate great man theory dawg. Hate it so much
This isn't going to be an easy pill to swallow but there's a grain of truth to this tweet.
This is about David Grün, the one who signed the Israeli Declaration of Independence and first prime minister of Israel:
(Note that the 8th prime minister, Szymon Perski, is one of Grün's biographers mentioned in this screenshot.)
the lesson here is that enemies can learn from each other. It's nothing particularly novel, but it's always good to remind people that the lesson exists and is utilized by our enemies.
This might be controversial but I think at the time of the Nakbha, Israel was not an enemy of the USSR and there was a strong strain of labor Zionism in the early days of Israel. (Though personally believe that Zionism [labour Zionism or otherwise] and communism are ideologically incompatible and that communists should view Zionism as the mortal enemy that it is.)
You're absolutely right that enemies can learn from each other but I think that Lenin in this era was very much a cipher that all sorts of figures protected their own ideologies and aspirations on to. (You still see this same thing with Trots today.)
I think that Grün genuinely believed himself to be a Lenin-like figure and did not consider Lenin to be his enemy.
To me, the lesson here is that it's very easy to grossly distort historical figures, such as Lenin or Stalin, in all manner of ways and the other lesson is that socialists need to be on guard for the kind of idealism that made Grün believe that he was akin to Lenin and which also fooled people into believing the mythologised image that labour Zionism projected onto the world and which fooled plenty of socialists at the time.
There's this clip of a Chinese documentarian who was invited to Israel as part of Israel's typical press junket endeavours. I could never find the whole interview translated unfortunately but he didn't know shit about Israel in the same way that we as westerners don't know shit about a place like Tuva. He visited a kibbutz in an Israeli settlement and they tried to sell him on the idea that they were a commune and that they were a living example of socialism. He was naïve and so he asked too many questions about how they got the land and how Palestinians were excluded from joining the kibbutz and how they depended upon external ~~Palestinian~~ (E: found the vid, was wrong about this part insofar as what the guy himself said) migrant labour to function. His conclusion was that they hadn't developed a socialist society but rather they had recreated a feudal system and he's not wrong about that assessment. If a guy who doesn't know shit about Israel can figure out what's going on then all socialists need to be as materialist as he is and we should be very careful about assessing the material reality of things while remaining agnostic about whatever label or image is projected - be it David Grün's image of himself or the social and economic claims of labour Zionism or anything else for that matter.
Edit: Found the interview
I'm under a current impression that the reason there was an amicable relationship between the Soviet Union and Israel stems from a sense of realpolitik in regards to, at the point in time leading up to it's creation, an inevitability of an Israeli state being released from the British Mandate of the region in the aftermath of world war two, the holocaust, and the rapidly snowballing wave of decolonization movements around the world from the European powers. The Soviets wished to attempt to subvert the alignment of Irael towards the U.S-U.K during the stages it was being formulated, therefore did everything within their power to grow labor zionism and socialist thought there, in addition to championing israel in the U.N and combatting the western power's attempts to build influence there. This support of Israel also extends through the Cominform to the communist parties of the world who possessed Jewish membership, such as CPUSA - from who's historical documents i've had knowledge shared to me by Jewish comrades illuminated me on the head-spinning complexities of the period. Quite obviously one can see this blew up in the face of the Soviets with how genocidally reactionary the zionist movement was and still is, but looking back I can see how difficult such a decision was and not envy being burdened with the weight of making such decisions.
Thus, ultimately, it comes to no surprise of mine of how deep or how often Soviet influence pops up in the opening stages of the settling of Israel. The history of the two have interconnected and tangled branches which have to be carefully examined as not an insignificant portion of the truths and lies of the communist movement lie in that mess.
Why he throwing the DPRK under the bus 😭
I don't think he's particularly politically-developed if he had zero awareness of what Israel's deal is so I wouldn't put much stock in his opinion on the DPRK but despite his lack of awareness with politics, he sure managed to grasp the fundamental nature of the kibbutz he investigated.
What if good smart planning, but bad and evil? We'll call it evil good smart planning! I'm a rhetorical genius!
Let's be fair they didn't deserve hitler particle accusation. They have called zionism evil and Leninism not
It's not that uncommon for you to be reading about some right-winger's thoughts and see them proclaim some respect for leninist lactics or whatever.
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