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From https://reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1hokr0c/mozilla_chair_pay_vs_firefox_market_share_2023/m4aca4j/:

Total 2022 pay: $6,903,089
Total 2023 pay: $6,260,072 - a $643,017 decrease
Base chair pay: $600,000
2023 chair bonuses and other incentives: $5,622,600

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For comparison, here are other executive salaries ($0 bonuses for each)

Executive name Title Total Pay (2023)
MARK SURMAN PRESIDENT & EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 715,143
J. BOB ALOTTA SVP, GLOBAL PROGRAMS 508,138
ANGELA PLOHMAN COO, SECRETARY & TREASURER 452,234
ASHLEY BOYD SVP, GLOBAL ADVOCACY 427,701
ZHILUN PANG DIRECTOR OF FINANCE 273,069
DAVID WALKER SENIOR COUNSEL 268,565
LAINIE DECOURSY DIRECTOR, ORG EFFECTIVENESS 267,028
JUAN BARANI SENIOR DIRECTOR, GIFT PLANNING 262,879
STEPHANIE WRIGHT SR PROGRAM MANAGER, MOZFEST 236,785
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[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

I don't like that your graph key indicates the pay line is in $US millions then the axis is in millions not units. Indicating that the values are in millions of millions which seems unlikely

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 56 points 4 days ago

This graph shows a disingenuous relationship between revenue and the market share of a free and open source project within the walls of a not-for-profit organization. Firefox is not a revenue stream in the traditional sense. In fact, most of Mozilla 's money comes from grants and donations for projects and research they do.

I get that CEO=EVIL is a viral topic these days but if all you know about Mozilla is that they make the Not Chrome browser, then you should really educate yourself on what it is that Mozilla actually does for the internet. Then you might feel a little better with this pay scale graph.

That all aside, this graph shows the market share of Mozilla when there were 5 browsers available to the vast majority of users, Internet Explorer, Firefox, chrome, Opera, and safari. It's also before chrome took over the market share from IE at the same time that it pushed out Firefox as the leading browser because chrome was available on the iPhone and was the default browser on Android devices. Hardly a surprise to see that when the internet exploded in users and literally every human being started to carry around a chrome device in their pockets that Mozilla Firefox's market share went down.

[-] Shadywack@lemmy.today 17 points 3 days ago

The Mozilla foundation's largest source of revenue is Google, who is also their largest source of competition. To simply keep increasing the pay of their chief executive officer, to keep them kissing the ass of Google, seems like a strategy that doesn't align with what many would consider metrics of a successful project, like active users........

Looks like you missed the point of the graph.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Graph doesn't even show active users. It shows market share which is totally different. Market share is percentage of total users regardless of how many users are out there. Active users can go up while market share goes down. That's why this graph is disingenuous.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

How much money do they actually spend on the development of Firefox? That's a figure I haven't been able to find. However, in 2023, they had $1.5 billion in assets.

The only justification for a high-paying CEO is if they need to coordinate some large scale fundraising effort - schmoozing with other rich fucks to gain further donations, and plotting elaborate strategies to get more donations.

They have $1.5 billion in assets. How much more do they really need? Need someone to manage Mozilla's assets? Make me the CEO. I'll do it for you. In fact, I'll do it for free. That will be my contribution to the Firefox project. I'll stick that $1.5 billion in simple bond and index funds and withdraw at a very conservative 2% rate. And that will provide $30 million a year to spend on developers to improve Firefox and other projects. And we can just keep doing that forever. I'll purposefully withdraw funds at a rate lower than the market averages, so the real value of the endowment grows over time. And that will allow us to slowly expand the scope of operations and start new projects. And while I won't spend any time or effort to schmooze and jet set across the country to kiss the ass of some billionaire, if one wants to throw some money in the pot, we'll have a donation button on the website.

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[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 15 points 4 days ago

You are misinformed too.

This is only about the Mozilla Corporation. Hence, "the ones that make Firefox".

The ones fighting for an open Internet are the Mozilla Foundation.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

The Mozilla corporation are whole owned by the Mozilla Foundation... They are the same company. And both are not-for-profit.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

What @Atemu@lemmy.ml wrote. It's hard to grasp for me too, but ~~apparently~~ it's allowed in the US, and even a very spread practice.

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

No that's the trick: Mozilla corp is for-profit.

[-] Kanda@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Even if he made the air suck everyone's dick and chocolate pudding rain from the sky, he shouldn't have seven million US dollars every year

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

700k is high for us but low for CEO pay... I don't see why CEOs should get as much money when they never have any liability but that's another question. (Or... what are they really good for, and couldn't they simply be replaced by the decision matrix their team builds for them anyways)

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 193 points 4 days ago

til my favorite browser has been losing a lot of ground over the years, i guess i've been living in my foxy bubble

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

I suspect the graph is missing a recent rise in usage of Firefox. I feel like Firefox became popular again in late 2024 which isn't on that graph

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 99 points 4 days ago

The fact you're on lemmy puts you in good company I believe. I, too, am fighting the chromium curse.

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 12 points 4 days ago

You can gain users while losing market share. This graph includes the rise of smartphones (+chrome preinstalled)

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[-] galoisghost@aussie.zone 137 points 4 days ago

It’s just a play on the charity CEO scam.

  1. Start a charity
  2. Get a CEO (usually the person who starts the charity)
  3. Pay the CEO what other CEOs make because if we don’t pay at that rate we won’t get the best CEO
  4. Fuck who ever the charity is for they’re just PR to afford the CEO salary
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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 84 points 4 days ago

A better graph would compare salary to revenue and inflation

You can gain users while losing market share

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

2009, that's about the time that smartphones were really taking off.

Chrome on Android and Safari on Apple now make up almost 90% of all internet browsing.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 90 points 4 days ago

Usually I find these kinds of "non profit CEOs shouldn't make money" things kind of annoying but honestly I don't see any argument for a CEO to make more than a couple million regardless of context.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago

Remember people, 12M a year is over 32.000 a day. Every day.

People live on 32k a year.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Yeah that's fucking insane. 2 million is over the top even

[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 18 points 4 days ago

Yeah I'm not against the CEO earning similar amounts to those of organisations doing similar things and bringing in similar amounts of money... But those CEOs, too, are compensated disproportionately.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Yeah I'm not against the CEO earning similar amounts to those of organisations doing similar things and bringing in similar amounts of money

This is the exact argument boards of directors (which are made of other CEOs) use to excuse continually ratcheting up CEO pay, which their own boards in turn use to excuse ratcheting up their pay. It's the huge grift of the CEO good ol' boys club.

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[-] wellheh 70 points 4 days ago

You know what else coincides with 2009? Google Chrome's release- a browser by a company with far more resources. I'm absolutely not a supporter of CEO pay going up in general- this post is just incredibly lazy

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago

I dont feel the post is saying the two are correlated, more so simply that despite Firefox doing worse year over year, the CEOs compensation continues to rise.

[-] Spezi@feddit.org 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

As much as I’m opposed to Mozilla CEOs paying out absurd amounts, we still have to acknowledge that Mozilla has way more revenue streams nowadays than they had a few years ago.

So a sinking market share of one of their (free and open source) products doesn’t mean that the company is making less money overall.

Especially because a sinking market share doesn’t mean there are less users. This graph doesn’t reflect the exponential adoption of smartphones and tablets on which most users just use the preinstalled browser (eg Chrome and Safari).

So the user base is probably still similiar in size or even bigger, but the number of devices just exploded due to smartphones beeing adopted by a broad audience in markets like Asia and Africa.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago

Users on just desktop has been shrinking too, despite more people using computers in general https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

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[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

This is precisely how I read it.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 70 points 4 days ago

What a poor soul, started out only making half a million dollars a year?? 😑

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 19 points 4 days ago

Firefox user here, fuck chrome!

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[-] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 47 points 4 days ago

Seems very suspicious that the CEO is getting paid millions while Firefox's market share is dropping like an anvill.

I think that money would be better spent on improving the browser and making sure there are more privacy protections, maybe even set an example for other browsers to follow. Make average people actually want to use Firefox instead of Chrome.

[-] fnrir@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago
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[-] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 4 points 3 days ago

Google released the stable version of Chrome, and funneled significant resources into marketing it. This was the first stage of their strategy - they focused on firstly making a good product, and the squeeze on users only came later (and is probably only just starting in the scheme of things).

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

It's sad to see Firefox continue to lose popularity I thought there might be some kind of comeback but no.

[-] tbird83ii@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Part of the problem is both Chrome and Edge come installed by default on the company's own products, and they have massive campaigns to keep you from switching, since user data is so profitable for them to sell.

It is up to us, the "person who does IT for the whole family" to beat back the other browsers.

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[-] xor@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago

too much money but, mozilla does a lot more that firefox… (see also: rust

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[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago

Firefox isn't their only product, but it's clearly their most popular one so this is very questionable.

Would be even better with info about their other product market share as well, and adjustment for inflation. Wouldn't change the overall message, but would give less stuff for jerks like me to nitpick.

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[-] Mike85k@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

What is a senior director of gift planning and how does that justify a salary of $260k?

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