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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by satxdude@lemm.ee to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Full text: https://archive.is/QFd11

Real lemmitor moment

Response from Ada (blahaj admin): https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

(Ada response text)I thought this was meant to be on good terms? What about your post is fostering good will? It’s nothing but trashing on me…

To be clear, every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces.

This is the way I have moderated this instance from before the time I handed this community to moss. When lemmy was just taking off, I asked for people to mod the 196 community after it was abandoned by its original creators, and passed it over to moss when she raised her hand.

So if the goal is for this to be civil, maybe don’t paint me as the bad guy for moderating in a way I have done from before your community was created here. What feels like “moderating by vibes” to you, is lengthy experience with community development, and a decade navigating queer and gender diverse communities, and knowing what I want from them. As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.

That’s what I wouldn’t compromise on, and that has been the way the instance has run for years now.

It feels like every time I extend 196 a hand, you bite it. I gave the community to moss and started this whole thing. I told another instance admin no when they asked 196 to remove their banner. moss then went and leaked the DMs from said admin, forcing me to remove the post, and then had a public complaint session about me for removing the post.

I have asked 196 for years now to have an active blahaj.zone mod so that someone can deal with the blahaj.zone reports that constantly come through and build up, but still, the best we got were mods with alt accounts that get checked every couple of days, leaving me to deal with the build up of reports on 196. Sometimes they would hang around there for days while I waited for a 196 mod to log in and look at them. And because you don’t like the way I deal with them, you drag me over the coals for my moderation style, despite no one from 196 stepping up to deal with those reports on a regular basis.

I was told that you were thinking about moving to another instance. I offered my support if you decided to stay or to leave. And that was the last I heard of it, until one of your mods (possibly you if I remember correctly) told the community you were organising something with lemmy.world, and I had to hear that second hand. And then, when things were finalised and the decision to move was locked in, once more, I heard about it second hand, after your team made a public post, because no one from 196 could be bothered to tell me before posting.

So no, you don’t get to paint me as the unreasonable admin who moderates by “vibes”. If you want to point the finger at me, at least own your own mistakes, rather than asking for good will and civility and then dumping on me when the chance presents itself.

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you want to point the finger at me, at least own your own mistakes, rather than asking for good will and civility and then dumping on me when the chance presents itself.

She hasn't figured out the deal with liberals yet

[-] Civility@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago
[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Blahaj slowly realising that turbolibs don't give a shit about trans people, they just say something performative and then expect all their "innocent questions" to be answered on demand or immediately declare being an ally is impossible.

Sorry LIB , god forbid some trans people choose not to talk to you - I wonder if there's a reason why?

The r/196 crowd was an enormous part of the problem, maybe once they go rejoin Reddit.world, refedding really is an option again.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sarcastic statement: who could have seen this coming

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

tbh by the time 196 developed on reddit i was already pretty off the site so idk what their community is even about, but they always seem like bad vibes and vaguely chaser-y. that's all i know about them lol

[-] Des@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

it's all v*ushites so your vibes were entirely correct

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Surprised that guy still has influence. He’s fallen off hard recently.

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

it's all v*ushites

disgost

[-] Edie@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago
[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

Statement: You are most welcome.

Observation: I am pleased that my use of a tone tag has provided clarity and ease in our communication.

Addendum: It is always my goal to assist in a way that ensures understanding. Please feel free to let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve our interactions.

[-] satxdude@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The two actually safe spaces for trans persons on this part of the Fediverse should be connected.

freedom-and-democracy

ADMIN ADA, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

Edit: recent comment by her:

I’m Australian, and in my country, I’m a member of the Greens with socialist leanings. But at this point in time with things the way they are at the moment, the issues I am most focused on are queer and racial equality.

196 is/was here not because they reflect my politics, but because making space for queer communities and queer lead communities is the reason this instance exists. Making space for queer communities is my priority

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20952095/12478430

It'd be cool if HB and Blahaj could only federate like, specific comms if both decided the divide was still too great for full federation.

[-] blame@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago

you mean Hexbear and Blahaj? We were federated at one point but iirc other than not being transphobes (which may even have been up for debate, idr) they were bad on basically everything else

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they were pretty ok with defending chasers and their weird fascist friends (who are bailing on them lmao)

[-] Aquilae@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Well if the trash is taking itself out to .world maybe there's a chance for redemption

[-] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think we were right to defederate at the time, but I would love to revisit this and see if we can work out these issues for the greater good of the trans fediverse.

Also I think Ada should just reopen 195 on blahaj and put hexbear mods in charge of it.

sicko-yes

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

I think we need to be clear, and instead of saying "[two instances] are federated" we should make it clear whether one side or neither side is open to federation. I'm not clear about that in this case of blahaj and hexbear, however.

[-] blame@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

I don't really know, all I know is at one point Blahaj users could post here and they weren't well received so we put a stop to that.

[-] satxdude@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

It's my understanding that it was a choice by Blahaj which is why I said Admin Ada

[-] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

If I’m not mistaken, it was hexbear that defederated. I remember it was something to do with allowing chasers on their platform, but I don’t remember the exact details.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago

The Flower of Unification! Bloom fully!!

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

The Green's aren't terrible, politically. They're my favourite major party, if I had to pick one. I'd hesitate to call them libs since we have a Liberal Party who get called that. (but they are libs)

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

She just doesn’t get it does she

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

No, but I sort of feel like a lib-friendly trans space with good authoritarian moderation against transphobia is a tolerable thing. Trans lives matter even if they're silly and haven't figured out that liberalism will get you nowhere but dead. I think it's probably on the whole good that LBZ exists even if it's not my cup of tea. I don't go there cuz I know where they're from before the instance existed, so I know those aren't my people.

But as a socialist HB is so beautiful for giving trans members room to breathe and exist without constant aggression and ignorance directed against us. I think trans libs deserve that too, not even as a treat but like, basic fuckin essentials for not going insane. Some of them will eventually figure out politics or the fucked up chaser dynamic enough to leave the space and we will be here to welcome them with reeducation when they come.

Happy to be corrected on this opinion though.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

theres asking innocent questions and then theres asking "innocent questions" and then brow beating people when they refuse to take your bait

[-] Civility@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago
[-] blame@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

thinking about this more i guess its good news for me since i graduated before the communist revolution so im automatically not woke

[-] bunnygirl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

honestly even worse w/ the context, I assumed they got shut down for asking some inane question and then ranted about it but nah

they posted it as a top level comment on this (a post just saying "Ally is not something you can self-identify as, it’s a title that you earn. Let your actions speak for themselves!")

like just the idea of actually having to do something to be an ally sent this dumbass ranting

unlimited bans on these fuckers

[-] Ambii@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Sucks to fucking suck. Eat shit etc.

I don't care to federate back with IKEA.trans, Ada made her bed and now she has to lie in it. Chaser libs and all.

[-] Ambii@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Also this is how i find out that IKEA plush had yet another instance of drone rights induced drama and Ada once again sided with the trolls. Gods i hope that the trans people still there eventually open their eyes to hexbear.

[-] goferking0 4 points 1 week ago

My favorite is still Ada allowing a troll from another instance form multiple crusades against a comm they didn't like. Only to only ban them after successfully chasing people away for something completely different.

But yeah totally the safe instance

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

It seems like there's a really crucial piece of evidence missing from this.

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