Never thought Iβd find myself quoting Marxist apologia, but read Blackshirts and Redsπͺ
Really confused by the existence of a person who apparently hates "Marxist apologia", but has read Blackshirts and Reds.
For posting all the anonymous reactionary bullshit that you can't post anywhere else.
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Never thought Iβd find myself quoting Marxist apologia, but read Blackshirts and Redsπͺ
Really confused by the existence of a person who apparently hates "Marxist apologia", but has read Blackshirts and Reds.
Has read and recommends Blackshirts and Reds, no less. "Well, this one piece of Marxist analysis I read was thoughtful, thorough, and worth reading (despite being Marxist). But obviously the rest of it must still be terrible"
Copying and pasting my other comment:
Based on what they told me yesterday, they have started reading it, maybe a chapter or two in. Throughout my interactions with them over the last year or so, I have steadily gotten them to read Elementary Principles of Philosophy, "Tankies," and now finally they have started Blackshirts and Reds.
Overall, they are your typical anti-communist "progressive liberal," but in the last month or so have been pushing back against anti-Communism. This is genuinely a massive step for them IMO.
Holy shit the amount of work you must've put in to make this one lemmitor read something other than harry potter. You deserve the medal of honor.
I think that honor goes to them, I lost patience more than a few times when they were especially reactionary, but they genuinely seem to be a true believer in the "marketplace of ideas" kinda thing so they ended up taking my advice anyways. I think if they do end up a comrade, they will have been one of the most effort-requiring converts I've done, but ultimately I think it's more a virtue of being a rare "true believer" that actually followed through enough for the shell to crack.
Obviously not condoning their reactionary views, they have plenty of brainworks to deworm but the process isn't hopeless at all IMO.
You have the patience of a saint, comrade
I could literally never do what you do without it killing me
this is a person on the verge of tankiedom. We've all been there. Somewhere between a Dem Soc and a Left Com and an Anarchist and a commie, a generic "leftist". Have to still pay lip service to not being "authoritarian" and all that
Based on what they told me yesterday, they have started reading it, maybe a chapter or two in. Throughout my interactions with them over the last year or so, I have steadily gotten them to read Elementary Principles of Philosophy, "Tankies," and now finally they have started Blackshirts and Reds.
Overall, they are your typical anti-communist "progressive liberal," but in the last month or so have been pushing back against anti-Communism. This is genuinely a massive step for them IMO.
Iβm adding the whole of lemmy.ml to the block list, you guys are nearly as bad as Hexbear for being able to string together a thought.
rent free
there is a specter haunting lemmy
Holocaust revisionism? on .world??
that place is getting stranger and stranger
I think as time goes on, without a large influx of new users, instances largely coalesce into the real "True Believers" of the general line of an instance. Lemmy.world's stock-standard anticommunism gets taken to it's natural next step, fascist apologia.
my favourite time was when I saw someone call ml and bear "republican instances". I just had to laugh physically
The republicans in question:
yes
They genuinely cannot conceive of people to the left of them, lol
my favorite was being called a trump supporter during the election. lol
@echodot@feddit.uk got us with this one though
@_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com holocaust revisionism is genocide denial AND antisemitism.
In case you are actually interested in a serious response here are the symbols used in holocaust camps. The first of these, the red triangle, designates "political" prisoners, which was applied overwhelming to communists and social democrats (meant the same thing at the time anyway).
Here is another shorter chart in English:
You are poorly educated on this topic and should sincerely read some actual books instead of getting everything you know from internet comment sections then screaming at the people who are correct because the information you're being corrected on doesn't fit into your deeply deeply propagandised worldview.
Oh and calling everyone that says anything you dislike a russian bot is indistinguishable behaviour from the IDF calling everyone they dislike Hamas. Deeply unserious behaviour.
communists and social democrats (meant the same thing at the time anyway)
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Yeh the 'they' in that poem is the gottdang tankies
hey how does that one famous poem start again? It goes "First they came for the tankies and said hey redfash you're with us" right?
Doing Holocaust revisionism to own the tankies
Calling the communist victims of the Holocaust "tankies" is definitely a historically literate thing to do.
That said, I'm pretty sure tanks were necessary for liberating the concentration camps but what do I know about WWII battlefield tactics?
First they came for theβ¦. Um I forget. Definitely not communists though fuck those guys.
One less nazi on lemmy ml at least
Gonna complain about being censored by the tankies in the future, certainly.
checks notes
Didn't check enough notes lmao
Happy to see GP is genuinely reading Blackshirts and Reds like I told them to and now recommending it to others. Very lib, and very anti-communist (hence "Marxist apologia"), but I genuinely think there's a sliver of a chance that they will end up radicalized from seeing the utter nonsense divorced from reality the anticommunists bring in light of having read some Parenti.
all the smug confidence of a complete, willful ignorance... that has got to be the most loyal Bill Maher fan in the world.