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Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader.

Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the exports entirely if Trump moves ahead with even more tariffs on April 2. He said he would direct his minister of energy to redirect energy from an Ontario nuclear reactor to local manufacturers instead.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Fuck an export tax, open the breakers. They can sort out their own power.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Start by cutting the power for a few minutes at a time over several days. Do it during the work day to minimize the effect to people at home and maximize the disruption for businesses and industry.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Turning on and shuting down energy ptoduction is not as simple as flopping a switch.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't shut down the generator. You just stop it flowing across the border.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Load and production must match at all times or your frequency will drift and everything breaks.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Heh, and if you don't believe that, ask a Texan.

Actually in retrospect, they really may not understand electrical grids...

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh yeah? We'll just build coal plants next to the border. Naa naaa.

/s ... I hope. Shouldn't give them ideas...

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actions have consequences.

If America wants to void agreements and attack it's allies, fine; we won't be allies. Lay in the bed you've made.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ha. This bed is getting really itchy. "Move to Canada" is becoming a common phrase around our household.

Donny Dumbass is really fucking up everything. Scam and collapse is the point.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm currently waiting for visa stuff to process, but I've already decided to make that move. I'm fucking tired of wasting my energy on a failed nation that doesn't even recognize me as a person.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Better do it quick before diplomatic relations get so bad Canada closes the border.

Sim city 4 effect. Build your coal power plants right on the city border, the pollution just disappears!

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what he originally wanted to do. My guess is that the engineers said it ain’t gonna happen.

If you disconnect a big part of the grid then you end up with way too much power being produced for the rest of the grid. If you aren’t able to shut down generators in time then you can severely damage the equipment on the grid and cause cascading failures that take down the entire grid.

One major outage I remember was the 2003 Northeast Blackout. I recall having to barbecue dinner for a couple of days while waiting for power to be restarted. Had to spend a lot of time outside because the indoor heat was brutal without air conditioning!

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Well yeah; you don't just flip a switch and disconnect at a whim, you've got to reduce generation in sync with shedding load to keep the grid balanced. It can and should still be done though.

The problem is producers ofc don't want to shut down, that's lost profit for them. I think they should bear it in support of Canada's independence though.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Export tax is good. Trump thinks he can pick and choose what his consumers pay extra tax on, by having energy lower than other things. An export tax shows him he can't.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It is time for some maintenance... until further notice.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

As an American I approve this plan

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought Minnesota was part of Canada. Why is it saying here that it's a US state?

(Yes, this is a joke, although I wish it wasn't)

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

Give us Minnesota and Michigan so we can dominate Hockey even more.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what needs to happen. Holy fuck, the stopped clock was right for once.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Our next step up should be cutting the power for a few minutes at a time over several days. Do it during the work day to minimize the effect to people at home and maximize the disruption for businesses and industry.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

make it 50%, please.

Make it like 500%

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still not too late to get some solar panels and batteries...

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

We need to drop the 100-300% import tax and antidumping duties on Chinese panels the Liberals imposed about a decade ago.