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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

~~Remove Brave~~
~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
~~Add GrapheneOS~~
Maybe add Delta chat
~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
~~Add aurora~~
~~Add SearxNG~~
Add SimpleX
Add lichess
Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From	To	Compromise
X, Threads	Mastodon	Bluesky
Instagram	Pixelfed
YouTube	PeerTube	ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit	Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+	🔨 Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom	Jitsi Meet
Google Docs	Etherpad
Google Search	🔨 SearxNG	Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive	Nextcloud	pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud	Immich	Ente
Google Chrome	Librewolf, Firefox	Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps	Element (matrix)	Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa	Home Assistant
Play Store	F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS	LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS	Linux Mint

🔨 = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[–] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This is the alternatives that I use:

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Google Search - Syartpage

Do you mean startpage?

[–] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I'm using if for 6 months and I don't miss google search. And the option to open search results in "Visit in Anonymous View" is something that I love.

[–] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Yes typing mistake, I fixt it.

[–] LepaVida@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

I want to se Koofr up there among the clouds.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 113 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't use Brave. It's got a lot of privacy issues, even compared to the Mozilla foundation. Underneath, it's still Chrome.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

Plus the CEO is MAGA

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you clarify some of these issues? I'm a long time brave user and have really enjoyed using it and haven't noticed any issues besides some if their Web 3.0 integrations that you can turn off.

Always happy to find Better options though.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Instead of downvoting you, as is the style on these types of platforms it seems… I’ll actually try to link a few websites. One moment.

EDIT:

Crypto is dumb and bad for the environment

"reward" system, which is not cool

Further issues some have with the browser

And really, it is just YET ANOTHER Chromium browser, which gives Google MORE dominance on the web, which is a really really BAD thing. They are the ones who are trying everything in their power to not only siphon data off of you to sell to shady businesses, but also don't like how we can block ads, which I care the most about, personally. I'm sure there are plenty more people who are way more knowledgeable than I that can explain the domino effect of what happens when a company has total domination in a field, be it technology or otherwise.

EDIT2: Opera (and Opera GX) for those that like it for some reason...

Opera is shady as fuck too!

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 101 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lots of these are still American, and Bluesky isnt any-less of a walled garden, they just haven't reached enshitification-critical-mass yet.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, the list does not fit this community

Headquarters Seattle, Washington, United States

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

OP, quite a few of these are still American, some open source, some not. It's more like a generic list of alternatives to mainstream.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When it's FOSS it doesn't matter so much where they're based, fortunately

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 10 points 2 weeks ago

BlueSky and Brave for sure aren't FOSS.

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[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lol… Brave… Come on man.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Yeah, I was gonna say… Recommending Brave isn’t a great look right now. Especially right in the wake of the Brave CEO going off on that unhinged ultra conservative rant.

And Firefox recently had its own controversy, with the removal of their “we promise never to sell your info” section of their ToS. When questioned, they basically responded with “well some jurisdictions define “sell” as “exchanging for money”… We don’t agree with that. But because some jurisdictions do define it that way, we need to remove that section. All we want to do is exchange your info for money. But again, we don’t think that should be considered selling your info.”

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Bluesky absolutely belongs in the left column.

It's not Transparent, Decentralized or Open Source.

It is a centralized social media network exactly like Twitter. The only 'open' part is a protocol that lets you interact with their, private, service.

The fact that it is 'open source' is largely a red herring, if Bluesky decides to no longer support their protocol then it is worthless. It cannot simply be forked and remain useful.

Bluesky is simply engaging in a PR campaign to steal customers from Twitter. It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter. It can be purchased by Musk or manipulated by the existing owner in the same way as Twitter.

Making a Bluesky account is simply trusting a new corporation to not act like a corporation in the future... which is a pretty naive position.

Ecosia is not open source, or decentralized. It is a private search engine based in Germany that provides search results from the major search engines and sells advertisements via Yahoo and Microsoft ad networks. These ad networks are part of Surveillance Capitalism and earn their money primarily by spying on you, collating your data and selling it/using it to place ads.

Stremio is largely a piece of software used to funnel people into paying for monthly for pirate streaming services. It's not getting rid of Netflix or Disney+, it's giving you the option of paying Russian or North Korean supported cybergangs instead of Netflix for access to streaming content.

The real open source alternative is Jellyfin. Then using qBittorrent along with Sonarr and Radarr to self-host your own media server.

The other suggestions are mostly okay with minor gripes.

They could add GrapheneOS as an Android alternative.
Linux Mint is not a bad option but 'What Linux Distro should we recommend to new people' is a contentious topic in the community, Mint is fine but there are other options (EndeavourOS is Arch Linux installed with the Calamares graphical installer and some sane options for a desktop PC, btw)
While Signal isn't 'open source'. It is, for the moment, a secure option that doesn't require a lot of user knowledge to setup. It is a vastly superior choice than using social media for messaging without requiring a lot of technical knowledge on the user's part.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter.

I think the fucking Nazi at the head matters.

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking brave shows it's ugly head again. The only thing worse than a browser owned by a greedy corpo is a browser that is owned by two greedy corpos, one of which is mostly a crypto scam corpo.

[–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 46 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Revanced is just a cracked YouTube app isn't it?

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 27 points 2 weeks ago

It goes beyond just cracking, with support for features like SponsorBlock and Return YouTube Dislike, but essentially yes. It's not a meaningful YouTube "alternative", just a tweaked version of same.

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[–] Awebo@lemm.ee 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don’t think BlueSky is a great alternative, it’s still American and also still pretty big tech

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

But it needs to stay. Mastodon is better, but Bluesky has momentum, and anything to get people off Twitter.

Mastodon is still there, and first.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I completely agree! I switched to Linux Mint yesterday, and please don’t give me a bunch of alternatives before even deciding to try out Linux 🤣 Took me much longer to take the leap BECAUSE of all those alternatives.

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[–] based_raven@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I honestly agree here. Better to suggest a specific distro than just saying "use Linux".

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ecosia is a German web search engine based on Bing and Google's index.
Qwant is a French web search engine based on Bing but which has been working on its own index for a while.
I just found out that Ecosia and Qwant started teaming up last year to build a European search index. I hope something will come out of it. https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/

PeerTub is developped by French non-profit Framasoft, which also develops multiple de-gooling apps: collaborative docs, forms, agenda, or host other open-source collaboration tools. https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago

I like how it starts with getting off Twitter and trying out Lemmy and ends with switching to Linux.

[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago

While this list is itself could use a major rework, I'm happy to see that this list, originally posted on reddit specifically, gives visibility to lemmy as a reddit alternative.

[–] Mexigore@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lichess instead of chess(dot)com.

Thanks to another post in this community I found out about and it is great.

Open source
No ads
unlimited puzzels from real games
No constant message to buy premium
All the finances are public

You can donate to the project, if you have the means and enjoy the app please do.

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[–] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

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[–] ray1992xd@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Reminder: Stremio can use Torrents. Be aware of your local laws before enabling Torrent addons.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Threema is a swiss based messenger which e2e encryption.

[–] Ruthalas@infosec.pub 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where is my beloved son f-droid?

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Brave 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[–] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is the pic that made me join

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[–] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.

Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.

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[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

I strongly support Homeassistant. The sheer amount of features they've added and the community built around it make it a no brainer for home automation.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I feel like there would be value in having a "self hosted" column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I'd be immediately upset that this list isn't offering alternatives that are "ready to play" so to speak.

Just a friction point deterrence.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Add SearxNG as a search engine option.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I saw a different one recently on Reddit:

More alternatives.

By this user.

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

fuck brave

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