First renderings show new California city that tech billionaires want to build (www.sfchronicle.com)

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The project would also be inconsistent with Solano County’s Orderly Growth Measure, which requires that all urban development take place within city boundaries, rather than unincorporated parts of the county. California Forever says it supports the Orderly Growth Measure, but will ask voters to support the development.

“The Orderly Growth Measure is the right approach to safeguard Solano, including our project, from sprawl and disorderly growth for many years to come,” the group said.

Lol they literally are looking to ignore a law and then go on to say they will use the law to protect the city they want to make in violation of the law.

[-] Brkdncr@artemis.camp 13 points 1 year ago

We tried this already. California City is like the 3rd largest city in California. Planned cities mostly suck.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Uh? In contrast to what?

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Stroads, as far as the eye can see.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Translation, please.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A high-speed road with many turnoffs, and lacking in safety features.

(I’m not defending libertarian dystopias, I just realized I might come off that way. Planning cities is not an all or nothing debate. There is a bit of nuance. And I’ll repeat, I’m not in favor of Techbro Celebration. My silly comment is misplaced.)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

So basically the libertarian version of Celebration, Florida.

No way that can go south.

[-] constnt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Or the libertarian city in New Hampshire that ended with highly intelligent and motivated bears taking it over.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I love that story so much.

[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

> techbros

Yeah. It will have gatling turrets and tesla coils.

[-] abnormal_123@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So they just want a “private Mountain View”

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Site is paywalled anyone got the images.

[-] hearthing@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Picture a quaint little town full of the worst people you've ever met.

[-] Terminarchs@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

So... western Europe?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Having just returned from Western Europe… No.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

IMHO, if someone wants to build desirable housing next to desirable employment, I’m all for it. CA desperately needs any damn housing it can get.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Challenge is getting companies to actually move into the spaces earmarked for them.

My area has gone all in on mandating that all new housing must: Be dense, but short (Max of 4 stories) Constructed with dedicated office and retail space

Ok cool, walkable... Except the companies aren't moving into the retail or office space. Since they only get a useless amount of street side parking, they can't really serve people outside walking distance reasonably. Meanwhile they can find a bigger spot a few miles down the road with parking to serve a bigger area. Serving a walkable community might be worth it if the apartments were high rise providing the requisite density to support such business. Once upon a time, business did subsist on that volume of customers, but nowadays businesses demand more efficiency...

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think these places will have the opposite problem.

The land is being purchased by heads of industry, not real estate investors who then have to lure business to the area. These people can just move parts of their business there and or strong arm the companies they invest in to move there.

Trick will encouraging people to be the first waves of tech folks to move to the area for work. The work will be there, but the communities / social life won’t be popping at first. People will also need to give up temperate Bay Area weather for hot ass Solano county.

[-] Ekybio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Just don't ask them if the city has "special rules regarding the age of consent". I have not forgotten how techbros handled that the last time the topic came up and the ammounts of copium huffed afterwards. "Mental maturity is more then enough" was quite the statement from the cryprosphere

[-] negativenull@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

John Galtsville

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

decent but unoffensive marketing images. this early on, expect the final product to look nothing like this.

[-] Daevan@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Seems like a very italian city

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 2 points 1 year ago

Looks like someone spent a whole 3 dollars at iStockPhoto.

[-] PoetSII@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Literally night city

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

With all the building permits and bureaucracy California demands, it'll take 30 years for this to be built. By then NorCal will be a burning hellscape. Shortly after, it'll be invaded by people from Stockton and Sacramento and looted.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So New Tuscany.

[-] Hello_there@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Castrate the rich

[-] scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Is it going to be called New Amsterdam? 🤔

[+] tallwookie@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Americans need to stop embracing sprawl. It’s expensive, terrible for the environment, creates terrible commutes, etc.

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[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we should create a global rule that if you want to live far from people in a “rural” setting or something, you must live exactly like indigenous peoples hundreds of years ago.

No technology, just in harmony with nature.

If you drive a truck, you are forbidden from nature. If you want a TV, fridge, modernly constructed house, you can’t set foot into a single blade of grass outside of metropolises.

* sorry if you weirdos want to live like medieval free-peoples, that’s ok as well

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I lived in Los Angeles for 10 years. The pollution gave me bad acid reflux, which is actually a symptom we asthma sufferers can have. I moved to a semi-rural place and that reflux went away. So you're basically saying I should either be forced to be ill or live like I'm Amish.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Sure cause we can’t actually have good cities.

The options are bad cities or bucolic countrysides…

If we all lived like you guys do in “semi-rural places” of the USA, we’d be extremely fucked. Like orders of magnitude more than we already are.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That wasn't what I was objecting to. I was to saying I have to live like I'm Amish because I'm doing something for my health.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You can live in a nice city with a lot of parks, good public transit, minimal cars, nice architecture etc.

It’s just a fact we must accept, living in a rural or semi-rural way just won’t be possible anymore. Climate change is really gonna fuck things up way too much and people don’t seem to get that.

If we want to survive as a technologically and socially advanced species and not regress to the Stone Age, we have to give up old Medieval ideals of living in the country-side.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You can live in a nice city with a lot of parks, good public transit, minimal cars, nice architecture etc.

What city would that be and who is going to find me a home and a job?

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

There’s lots of those in my part of the world, maybe not yours.

But just because the cities around you suck, it doesn’t mean the idea of cities suck. That all cities suck. That we’d all be better off living in semi-rural suburbs or some other American hellscape.

It seems your perspective on this is 100% based on your individual experience and it includes 0 big-picture thought.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I never said that all cities suck. I was talking about the 'anyone who doesn't live in a city has to live like it's the 19th century' thing. I've told you that multiple times. I'm not sure how to be more clear about it.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

But how can REALITY get more clear? We’re going through the very early stages of global cataclysm. We will only survive as a social and technologically advanced species if we concentrate in a few small spots, and basically abandon and work to rehabilitate the other 99% of the Earth. For a long long time probably.

I don’t understand how living like you guys even slightly looks like a good idea unless you’re extremely self-centred and don’t give a fuck about the world. Which I guess makes sense, we’re in this shit situation because most people are like that I guess.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, I'm so self-centered to not want to vomit every day. How dare I.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Again, the dichotomy is not “polluted shitty city” and “nice free countryside”. And it’s NOT ABOUT YOU. This is the definition self-centeredness…

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Again, my problem is with the "you have to live like it's the 19th century" part. Again, how many more times must I say it?

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Everyone should.

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