I have a stupid question: how did El Salvador even agree to this? Like what mechanism allowed Republicans to send people there to begin with?
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El Salvador's regime has already sent 80k people to gulags since 2022, and capitalism found it cheaper to outsource US gulags to poor countries, the same way it did for manufacturing. Rather ironic, really.
Also, Trump's definitely making money off the deal somehow. It isn't realistic to airlift tens of thousands of Americans there though. This is just the start. They'll probably start building domestic death camps soon; to disappear the bulk of the undesirables.
capitalism found it cheaper to outsource US gulags to poor countries
It is more of a way to sidestep the judicial process. The executive branch can act faster than the judicial branch in removing someone from the country before appeals. Once the person is in a foreign country, they are no longer in custody of someone under the control of American judges.
It isn't a cost saving measure, it is a legal loophole.
It's far more expensive in the long run anyway.
Facists don't really care. V2 rockets were more expensive and less effective tactically than panzer tanks, but the Naxis built the rockets...
No that was one of the few successes, v2 were ineffective weapons they were however incredibly effective acts of terror.
Terror is not an effective tactic to end a war. It only motivates the enemy more.
No one said it was to win the war itself it was too demoralize England and it worked in large part until Germany started getting carpet bombed and the dichotomy exampled the British isles relative safety.
As someone that is British I take exception to the idea the V2 rocket somehow demoralised us, even temporarily. It takes a lot more than that to break us. It was a scary weapon, sure. But it didn't reality make the reality of the war that much worse than it already was.
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Good point. But is there any meaningful difference between capitalism and its legal system?
This is more of a case where capitalism decays into fascism.
Capitalism relies on a decent legal framework to function. It doesn't have to be equal, but it has to be consistent. It is usually why a lot of nations defined by capitalism are generally not dictatorships; monied interests are given ways to influence policy.
Fascism concentrates power and frees that power from restraint in order to benefit a part of society. The ability for a person to imprison anyone without legal checks is an extraordinary power.
People act like this is the way to deal with crime since crime did drop. Only problem is that the gang violence in El Salvador was highly disorganized. They did try to do shit like this in Mexico but it failed. So it isn't a 'solution' that can be exported.
From my understanding it's a very poor nation with a deeply corrupt leadership. Said leaders are taking the opportunity to make money from industrialized incarceration without any oversight. The US president is openly breaking the law by deporting people there but has nothing to worry about anyway because the harshest form of protest the american people can think of is a passive aggressive tweet (that will generate ad revenue for the biggest monetary Trump supporter). The best part of this is that once people are there he can just raise his hands and say "well I can't get them back, they're outside the US!"
Money makes the world go round
Italy built a center for migrants in Albania. If there is money to be made, then they'll find a way.
Not a direct answer and this video is out of date with current events, but the background on the current state of El Salvador is worth knowing: https://youtu.be/WtkI-QAgM6w
El Salvador, please remember the iron law of dealing with trump:
Everyone who works with trump will be shit on. No exceptions.
Build your prisons, you'll be stuck with them either way because trump isn't going to pay for anything, and he'll probably demand you use his companies to do it so you lose twice as much.
It turns out mass graves are a lot cheaper than prisons, and honestly, who's checking?
Trump said. “I’d like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the country. But you’ll have to be looking at the laws.”
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I might just be a libtard and don't understand. But shouldn't the president be the one "looking at the laws?"
Yes. But no one ever accused Trump of knowing how anything works. Truly, nobody knew presidenting could be so complicated.
Each one dashed out with the stroke of a marker pen and a goofy-ass signature.
When he says he’s going to “look” at laws he means he’s going to get rid of them because they’re in his way.
So one of the most lucrative businesses in the US, the incarceration system, is now getting fucked because people are sent to El Salvador. The entire corrupt justice and incarceration system which was created when slavery ended. This is going to enrage a lot of powerful people. A lot of US tax dollars are going to be spent to a foreign nation instead of domestic (corrupt) businesses. Is that diaper Donny's idea of America First? Due to the lack of workers thanks to ICE they want to flex child labor laws. US incarceration was built for cheap or free labor (slavery is still legal when incarcerated). And now they send all those slaves abroad.
Idiocracy was an understatement and their idea of 2505 is more like 2025.
Tariff El Salvador!
Now all we need is train lines straight to those camps
Then, it can get quite cold in those camps, so maybe we should build some big diesel generators to, you know, make sure the inmates can get hot showers....
I guarantee you that ben Shapiro would be raving about those showers, they'd be a luxury for the prisoners
Fuck everything about this timeline
This is USA. No trains. There's going to be bumper-to-bumper traffic of feds driving people to concentration camps.
I understand that spray tanning ears may be difficult, but could they at least try?
I know how crazy this sounds, but hear me out. El Salvador is only a staging location, those people will not be sent back to their home country, the real plan here is for Musk to use them to colonize Mars.
Why do I believe this? Because Musk said several times that in his lifetime he will put 1 million people on Mars, and well, he does own a space company and now has enough backing from the Orange Clown to do anything he wants.
But space karen always underdelivers
I fear the plan is darker than that. They will keep sending people in, and El Salvador promises that no one will ever come out (even if they're innocent). If you keep piling people in and never let anyone out, you run out of space unless you find some other way to dispose of people.
El Final (fee-nahl) Solution, so to speak
Yep. Just a couple more steps than pushing people out of planes over the ocean.
It's what Pinochet did, and he was very much admired by Reagan and Thatcher. I certainly wouldn't put it past Trump's people to start doing this.
Did Elon specify dead or alive?
Biomass is biomass.
Musk doesn't want to be surrounded by minorities and liberals, even as Martian slaves, he's got robots for that.
Musk wants Mars populated with his rich white buddies and their families.
The rest of us will be slaves here on earth, with the food and goods we produce shipped to Mars.
The people sent to El Salvador will meet the same fates as those in the German concentration camps.
Seems like a helluva Mars plan. I'm all for it.
My only addition is that we'd stop shipping the supplies and cut the comms once they're up there.
I never got what he was thinking with the colonizing Mars stuff, Northern Ontario is uncolonized (Endless swamps and frozen wasteland but lots of animals and minerals) But you're going to jump to a place you can't even breathe with no natural resources!?!
Antarctica is even more uninhabited and he could build 10 cities there for the same price as one small Mars colony.
And it's warmer, the air is breathable, and only takes a few hours to get to on a plane instead of months in space.
Anything built to survive the surface of Mars would work on Antarctica for a fraction of the cost.
It is a stupid fantasy, what matters is they have fully normalized fascism here in the US
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Sure, if you redefine "Mars" as "that mysterious pile of ash that's inevitably going to appear behind one of these detention centres".
i don't really believe that because there's a large number of people who would already want to go to mars. it's not like they're lacking willing participants.
El Salvador becoming the new Poland?
So what is the US getting from all this? If the US is the one paying a massive bill for the whole thing and not saying the increasingly burdened taxpayer even more.
I guess it is all the kickbacks that Trump is getting.
They're getting concentration camps at slave labour prices.
He'll have to tariff the shit out of El Salvador to "balance the trade deficit".
I just think it's racists being stupid.
Maybe we can send the Orange Turd there as retribution for the evil this man is doing.
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