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Fan ejected from US Open match after German player said the man used language from Hitler's regime (apnews.com)

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A fan was ejected from a U.S. Open tennis match early Tuesday morning after German player Alexander Zverev complained the man used language from Adolf Hitler’s Nazi regime.

Zverev, the No. 12 seed, was serving at 2-2 in the fourth set of his match against No. 6 Jannik Sinner when he suddenly went to chair umpire James Keothavong and pointed toward the fan, who was sitting in a section behind the umpire.

“He just said the most famous Hitler phrase there is in this world,” Zverev told Keothavong. “It’s not acceptable.”

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“He started singing the anthem of Hitler that was back in the day. It was ‘Deutschland über alles’ and it was a bit too much,” Zverev said.

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[-] SpicaNucifera@lemm.ee 128 points 1 year ago

Shoutout to Germans and their zero tolerance policy and these sorts of shenanigans.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I wish they'd identify the fan. Fuck that guy.

[-] Sylver@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Nah they don’t deserve their name in the papers in any way

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

At least all over social media. Let his bosses and customers learn about it and ruin his life.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

We should be able to make mistakes.

[-] NuMetalAlchemist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Ya don't "whoopsie" Nazi ideals, friend. Non-nazi people do not think about that stuff.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know any of these people but I do remember being a kid and shouting stupid things from a crowd. People be spraining their ankles leaping to conclusions here.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

As an edgelord child, I get it. But doing it, being reprimanded about it, and doing it again, ain't no jumping to conclusions on this one. He was doing it on purpose.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That was an on purpose. Guy was warned about it, did it again. Fuck him.

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

The broadcast of the match showed security finding him and removing him.

[+] theodewere@kbin.social -39 points 1 year ago

"I think he was getting involved in the match for a long time, though. I don’t mind it, I love when fans are loud, I love when fans are emotional"

sounds like the guy had been cheering loudly in support of Zverev the whole match, and this was after a couple of hours and the guy legitimately just got really carried away shouting some stupid shit.. doesn't sound like the fan was seriously supporting Hitler or anything.. apparently just a loud moron who needed some attention..

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

"Shouting some stupid shit" is a really generous description of chanting Nazi slogans.

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah I hate it when I’m out having a good time and I accidentally let some Nazi shit slip out! Whoopsy!!!!

[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah you know, Nazis will be Nazis .

/rolls eyes

[+] theodewere@kbin.social -29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

in context though? the context that i went to great lengths to provide? you're just ignoring that to try to make an argumentative point..

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

I don’t think that context excuses nearly as much as you think. At no point in my life have I been drunk or giddy enough to shout God Save the Queen or recite some confederate anthem. And I’ve been damn drunk before.

[-] yacht_boy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a challenge. I'll bring the Cuervo, you bring the Beam, let's get drunk and sing God Save the Queen!

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

alright, if that sounded like an excuse to you this morning, i apologize alright.. i was not excusing this moron..

reactionary fuckwits gauging the harshness of language

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, in any context, and the more context you provide to justify Nazi chants, the less convincing any argument you make will be.

[+] theodewere@kbin.social -8 points 1 year ago

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the guy legitimately just got really carried away shouting some stupid shit.. doesn't sound like the fan was seriously supporting Hitler or anything.. apparently just a loud moron who needed some attention..

I might be a reactionary moron, but at least I've never had to explain the nuance between excusing a nazi and merely attempting to explain why being a nazi isn't so bad. Do go on, though, because it's still not clear how you weren't excusing the nazi chants.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No offense but that is literally what you were doing. Maybe reread your comment.

[-] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Idk. I don't think this particular phrase would even enter my mind as something to chant, and I am German. That's not the first time he chanted that, I'm sure. It is taboo for sure, but it's not in the cultural consciousness a lot, there's more "popular" nazi slogans. You'd either have to search your brain for something specifically Hitler related or be very familiar with the old anthem (aka singing it a lot aka being a neonazi).

I do not agree that this is the "most" Hitler thing though. There are so much more famous things, hut they wouldn't fit the situation though.

[-] theodewere@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i think you like to pat yourself on the back, and moreover you like to use things like this as a self back patter

[-] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

It was probably an American fan(it is the US Open) who thinks that's still the German national anthem... Still good on the player for shutting that shit down, it's a misunderstanding that doesn't need to be repeated.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

My thought is that it was an American neo-nazi (it is the US Open) who thought it was acceptable to repeat something he shouldn't have.

[-] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Idk, maybe. I listened to the audio, and to me, it did sound like someone who speaks German well. The pronounciations and emphasis sounded very natural. And fans do travel for events like these. Of course it could be an American, but somehow I still doubt it. Is this phrase known in the US?

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I've heard it before. I'm not sure I'd know which was the current anthem if you played the nazi one and the current one before today, though.

[-] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but would you (I assume american) even know enough words to so clearly repeat the opening words? Idk. It's just not something you'd come across often even in Germany outside of history class, german class, or neonazi circles. I assume even less so for non Germany. So that this would be so top of mind for someone to just slip out is just such a strange and unlikely thought to me.

Idk. The phrase is bad, but it wouldn't come up in my top 10 of nazi phrases, so for it to just slip out, I have to to assume that person frequently uses nazi phrases.

Likely we'll never know

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