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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Socrates would have asked: "What makes you think that syllogism is correct?"

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • All men are political by nature
  • Some bears are political
  • Therefore: some bear are men
  • All A are B
  • Some C are B
  • Therefore: Some C are A

Bearistotle isnt just wrong, he's failed the simplest of syllogisms; the kind that people dont need context to parse.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Come on, it's a bear. It's already fairly impressive that it manages to speak that well.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there's a tiny flaw in logic there though, that's true if ONLY all men are inherently political. As it stands you have wiggle room for other beings to be political without being men.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Syllogisms ignore whether each premise is factually true. It focuses on whether it is internally coherent.

If I said:

  • All peanut butter are cats.
  • Some peanut butter are dogs.
  • Therefore: Some cats are dogs.

It would be a valid syllogism (structurally valid). This would mean the premises must be evaluated.

You can test yourself on syllogisms here.

You'll inherently understand what I'm saying after a few rounds.

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your example is incorrect.

  • All cats are peanut butter (c is a subset of p)
  • some peanut butter are dogs (p intersects d, or, d is a subset of p)
  • some cats are dogs (c and d intersect, or, d is a subset of c)

The first two do not make the third.

You can have:

  • c is a subset of p,
  • d and p intersect,
  • The section of p that intersects with d does not contain any c

To fix this, reverse the first statement.

  • All peanut butter are cats (p is a subset of c)
  • some peanut butter are dogs (p intersects d, or, d is a subset of p)
  • some cats are dogs (c and d intersect, or, d is a subset of c)

Any portion of d that intersects with p (some p is d) must also be c (since all p is in c). Hence some c, but not all c, is in the portion of p that intersects with d (some c is d).

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oops. I fucked up lol. I changed it with your edit :p

Mental note: don't do syllogisms at 1am.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not the correct form of a syllogism. The second premise should be "Some C are A" leading to the conclusion "Some C are B". With the structure you provided, it is easy to produce invalid conclusions from true premises:

  • All planets are round
  • Some fruits are round
  • Therefore: Some fruits are planets

Whereas a correctly structured syllogism might be:

  • All coconuts are round
  • Some fruits are coconuts
  • Therefore: Some fruits are round
[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not saying the syllogism is correct, I'm illustrating how Bearistotle is wrong.

[–] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If he doesn’t understand that A=>B does not imply B=>A then he’s not Bearistotle but Bearistupid

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago

Nah, he's just practicing Sophursustry.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

That made me laugh way harder than it should have

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago
[–] moakley@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is one of my favorite things I've ever seen.

[–] cazzmaniandevil@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone know the author? I'd like to check more of their work out

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like it might be Perry Bible Fellowship. But I can't say for sure

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. I first saw this on their site, way back when.

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If memory serves, Aristotle was a professional wrestler and would occasionally win arguments by standing up and flexing his muscles

[–] teft@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's Plato. His name means broad or wide as in wide shouldered. It was given to him as a nickname since he was a big guy and wrestled.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Even way back then philosophy majors still needed a day job.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -3 points 1 year ago

Drag hates it when companies force male characters into their video games. Man is by nature a political animal, and drag plays games to get away from politics! /s