chapotraphouse

Reminds me of the Will to Change and how it was stated in it that in pathriarchy peers will scold a boy into pathriarchal outlooks and norms if they try to steer away from them.

not saying that this may not be true but in general i think Hexbears should be banned from posting studies done by Substack data analysts lmao

going to play basketball with your friends (if you're a boy, with high probability most of these other little treatlers are also boys) and bullshitting with eachother to see who can verbalize the edgiest insult in the group is not exactly touching grass, but I think is common enough that similar experiences could explain the difference

the belief that people of different sexes couldn't be friends without someone wanting sex (regardless of reciprocation) was pervasive when I was a young person and I expect people have only grown more attached to the illusion as time proceeds, so (at least in amerikkka) there's also this social pressure to congregate with people of the same sex when "hanging out with friends", which probably amplifies the effect

Hegemonic patriarchy is maintained & spread through homosocial interaction. This is obvious when you certain cis straight men get comfortable enough to "air out".

That makes sense I stopped hanging out with most of my high school friends after college because they were a bunch of chuds. Last time I saw something from their group chat somebody was unironically complaining about dei.

Turns out spending time with a bunch of chuds makes you think and act like a chud.

Another win for the loners

I wonder if the sample size here makes the outcome statistically meaningful or not. It also depends on your friends. Show me their friends and I'll show you the person, right? I don't keep friends who think women are inferior or deserve less, and if that's in your friend circle, then yeah, of course hanging out with them is going to have an influence.

I know I shouldn't be surprised but these numbers are staggering. Even the group of buddies I grew up with, half of which have shitty opinions, wouldn't agree with this shit. I think there's something to be said on men challenging men on their dogshit beliefs or at least not sitting by silently that impacts this. To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

I've heard that younger zoomers and younger are very gender segregated in social interactions. Friend groups are more singular gendered, parties will have less mixed gender conversations, etc.

It's possible that boys with a more active social life means they actually disproportionately interact with other boys more, while the online ones may actually interact with girls more, especially since lots more girls are in popular younger online spaces now like Tiktok and Roblox

So does this mean the influence of the manosphere is overblown? Or at the very least, that the discourse surrounding it has the cause and effect reversed; it doesn’t brainwash unsuspecting equity-minded young men into becoming chauvinistic, but rather young men who are already misogynistic flock to it to get their biases confirmed.

The cis boys just need to transition. It would fix so many issues.

why 8th and 10th grade?

also seems like year of change is around 2018? with previous increase in support level in ~2012? so like economy doing good period (both not covid related or president related dates)

*grass seems to have no effect tbh

There's parts of the country that are so uniformally conservative that virtually the only way to encounter outside views is through the internet. Doubly so if you're a kid growing up sheltered by conservative parents.

Gamergate was an illusion, the nerds are our allies against the chads!

CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

8th and 10th grade

I'm not AmeriKKKan but isn't that like 12 year olds?